Tyson Fury v Deontay Wilder

To Be Clear, a Fighter Can't Be SOLELY Defensive, Yet Expect to WIN Rounds...You Can't NOT Throw a Punch for 12 Rounds and Expect to Be Victorious...No One's Suggesting or Insinuating Otherwise...

But Let's Not Pretend Fury was SOLELY Defensive vs. Wilder Either...






REED

 

Yes, you are. You’re saying if one guy decides to throw punches and the other guy decides to avoid them than he’s ahead in the round and has scored points in a boxing match without throwing or landing a punch.

 

The idea that a close round goes to the busier or more aggressive guy is a stylistic preference of every boxing judge ever. By your logic a fighter being busy should lose them rounds.

Once again, I’ve never ever heard the concept that close rounds should go to the more defensive, less busy fighter.

 

You prefer defensive boxers because black boxers tend to fight more defensively, as evidenced by your “Latin machismo” comment below. Boxing life would be a lot easier on the black man if these mediocre black youths who can’t play other sports can just learn to run away and protect themselves and make a living (AKA Mayweather Boxing Channel). Fury is just a red herring.

Fury is a rangy outside fighter who wins by controlling distance. Anytime his opponent forces him to duck, bend or clinch it’s a tactical victory for them. It has nothing to do with Fury or Wilder or what you think their natural talents are. It’s one of those “boxing things”.

Fury had to use pure reflexes and anticipation to dodge a lot of Wilders big shots and every time he did it it was a risk that favored Wilder. This was seen out in the long run as he got caught not once but twice.

You would think he’d be more vulnerable early but he got smashed a little past the halfway point and in the last round. Wilder looked way more fatigued than Fury yet he landed as the fight went on because it was bound to happen.

 

Fury threw and landed more... that's why he won rounds... I didn't score any rounds for him because of defense

 

REED’s Not Saying That at All and You KNOW It. You’re Just Being Argumentative.







REED

 

You’re Conveniently Leaving the Word EFFECTIVE Out of Your “Busy, Aggressive” Bullshit.

CREDIBLE Judges Know and Adhere to the 10-Point Must System.







REED

 

Nah, You’re Just PROJECTING.

Unlike YOU, REED Doesn’t Hold Steadfast to RACE Related Boxing Principles and Having Studied the Sport Up and Down for MORE than 40 Years Now, He Can Watch, Appreciate and SCORE a Boxing Match w/No Preconceived Notions Racially, Stylistically or Otherwise.

REED Made the “Latin Machismo” Comment Because he KNEW It’d Draw Your Simple Minded Ass Offsides. Same Exact Reason Your Dumbass LITERALLY Picked Rosendo Alvarez Over Floyd in a Mythical Matchup is Why You CONVENIENTLY and INTENTIONALLY Ignore 2 Vital Aspects of the 10-Point Must System.

The Mere Fact You Hold DUCKING and ROLLING WITH Shots Against Fury is as Strong an Indictment Against YOUR Clear Stylistic Preference as it Gets.

REED GETS It Terp. You’re Into 3rd World Diaperweights Who Couldn’t Say or Spell “Defense” in ANY Fucking Language or Dialect. Nonethless, it’s STILL Part of the Criteria by Which Boxing Matches are Judged and Scored.

It Just IS. And Whoever it was that Introduced You to Boxing Raised you WRONG...








REED

 

But....But....He Wouldn't Stand There Like a DUMBFUCK and ALLOW Wilder to Hit Him Back in the Other 10 Rounds...

But....






REED

 

The idea that rolling and ducking should be held against a fighter when his opponent doesn't actually take advantage of this "mistake" (?????) by LANDING A PUNCH is bizarre

 

I think Fury ducked and dodged in order to land counters, which he did do. Wilder has a good chin though.

 

When You Readily Buy Into Preconceived, Make Believe Bullshit, Boxing Opinions as Such Surface...





REED

 

I’m not Spanish, you dumb ass. Lol. Do you know how stupid you look talking about racial shit with this ghetto Mr. T bullshit persona you’ve crafted?

I don’t care where fighters are from or what their ethnicity is. You’re a stereotypical, casual negro, barbershop boxing fan.

 

It’s not a mistake but it’s a sign that the opponent is getting into punching range while in position to punch.

 

Which is meaningless if he doesn't land a punch

 

Wilder landed two fight changing punches. I’m not saying he was winning rounds because he missed punches or because of the way Fury avoided them.

I’m making three points.

1) Fury didn’t seem to sweep the early rounds like he would need to to claim a clear victory with the knockdowns because he wasn’t actually putting up much offense in the early rounds. Reed agREED with me, which is why he’s claiming Fury was winning rounds with defense and claiming a fighter scores points when he protects himself from offense.

2) No matter who you were rooting for or if you were just watching, whenever Wilder threw a big shot and Fury ducked under it there was a moment of tension that wasn’t there when Fury was at range making punches fall short. Because those were the punches that could actually land. And Wilder was allowed or able to throw punches that could land consistently enough that I said before he had really landed a good shot that he was going to catch the guy.

The goalie can only do so much. The punches that dropped him were the exact same right hands he had ducked under earlier but he didn’t duck right...

3) 1 and 2 are connected. Fury’s lack of offense gives guys opportunities to set up and it lets them hang around in fights and stay dangerous when they shouldn’t. Wilder is a shitty boxer that relies on his range and single haymakers and 2 punch combos. His footwork is clunky and basic. If Fury could keep a consistent offense and put some punches on the line he could beat the shit out of him and stop him in 8 or 9 rounds. Instead he picked and poked and got dropped on his ass and almost ktfo.

Klit and Wilder both looked faded and falling apart to different degrees by the mid rounds against Fury but he couldn’t or didn’t really know how to push them off the cliff. He just kept up his fancy dan points fighting routine.

 

Fury won the early rounds by landing more punches ... whether he's doing that like Willie Pastrano or doing it like Frank Fletcher isn't relevant if his opponent isn't landing anything at all

 

Tension, could land??? He didn't land

 

If there’s an “ABSENCE of Clean Effective Punches” than both fighters are showing defense, you simple motherfucker.

You reward the guy that’s showing defense while attempting offense. You don’t reward the guy that’s just protecting himself.

 

You’re Without a Doubt THE Biggest, Most Petrified Bitch at Fightbeat, Twerp. On a Site Where EVERYONE Is Virtually an Open Book to the Other, YOU Sit Your Sorry, Trolling Ass in ANONYMITY, Taking Racial Shots at Those Who DARED to Reveal Themselves to Their Fellow Poster.

LIES and LOW-BROW Bullshit is Your Specialty. Like When You LITERALLY Told REED YOU were Black, Years Ago. As if Your DISDAIN for Muhammad Ali Didn’t Make it Obvious You Were Anything BUT Black.

Who LIES About Their Race/Ethnicity on a Messageboard? A SAD, PATHETIC Motherfucker, That’s Who.

Take All the Racial Shots at REED You Want, Because the Bottom Line is REED Has the Balls to Be Candid and UPFRONT w/His Fellow Figntbeaters, While Your COWARDLY, Bitchmade Ass is AFRAID of What Would Happen By Shedding Light on Who YOU Are.

EASY to Talk Shit When You’re a Reluctant, VAG Smelling Bitch that Plays it Close to the Vest.

From Day 1, You’ve Been ALL About Stylistic Preference and Pre-Pubescent, Shirtless, 3rd World Men...Clearly, You’re OF that Ilk, But By ACKNOWLEDGING Such, You Know the Flood Gates Would Open on Your Sawed Off Ass w/Insults Coming from Every Which Way.

Thus Explaining Why You’re a Sensitive, Secretive, Emo Bitch.







REED

 

No, he didn’t. That’s why he didn’t win.

 

Study the 10-Point Must System Or Shut the Fuck Up.

You’re NOT Important Enough to Reinvent the (Boxing) Wheel.







REED

 

I’m a light skinned black guy from PG County Maryland. I’m about 5’10 160. I’ve never claimed otherwise and I’ve said as much on these boards.

Now bring the noise with all your deadly XXX rated lightskin/Maryland/average height and weight jokes.

 

Yes he did... he threw and landed more punches

10 is greater than 0

 

Is that Terp?

As Patyon used to say........"Bye Terp".

 

I can’t really see much argument for giving Wilder any of the early or mid rounds. And if you bend over backwards, at the most you give him 1 round. After that, rounds 9 and 12 he only won on the 10 point system due to the knockdown because he was outworked and outlanded.

At the most, I still a 9-3 score for Fury. If Wilder was landing some hard shots in between Fury’s punches, maybe there could be an argument. But Wilder must have landed no more than 3 or 4 clean punches from rounds 1 through 7, and I honestly don’t think that’s an exaggeration.

 

Fury staying sharp. Glad to see that.