UFC 119 Discussion Thread

This fight, again, shows the problem with scoring in MMA as well as boxing.

There is no way Sherk should get as many points (9) for losing the third round as Dunham got (9) for losing the first round.

To me that is the biggest problem. Either score rounds even (10-10) if there isn't a clear winner or be a little quicker to give the loser of a round 8 points instead of 9 if the round isn't close.

Personally, under my liberal use of 10-8 scoring, I would have scored it like this:

1st: 10-9 Sherk
2nd: 10-10 Even
3rd: 10-8 Dunham

Decision: 29-28 for Dunham

 

It's worse for cage fighting because there are so few rounds. The 10 point must system simply doesn't work in three round fights.

 

3,10, 12, or 15 rounds, the system doesn't work if judges are afraid to score rounds even or afraid to be liberal with 10-8 or 10-7 rounds.

In my opinion there has to be different levels of LOSING a round even without knockdowns. The worst thing that ever happened to boxing scoring is the silly notion that so much credit should be given to a knockdown. It's ridiculous that a flash knockdown automatically results in a 10-8 round but a round in which a fighter loses badly but remains standing may NOT be scored 10-8.

In both sports there should be much more liberal use of scores less than 9 for the loser of a round. How badly a fighter loses a round is paramount in picking a winner.

 

Surely you aren't suggesting the scoring system is equally ineffective over 3 rounds than 10 or even 12?

Although I do agree there's room for improvement.

 

go back to the pride scoring

fuck the scoring, who do you think won the whole fight

 

The problem with the scoring is far more obvious in shorter fights.

But to act like the 10 point system works in boxing because the fights are longer is a ridiculous suggestion.

In fact, my ideas about improving the scoring methodology comes from years and years of watching piss poor boxing scoring, not MMA.

 

I'm not saying it works. Read my whole post.

But it works a lot better when there are more rounds. It's a very simple concept. I don't have to explain it, do I?

 

Dude, you can explain it all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the system sucks regardless of the sport or the length of fight. Go ahead and pretend that you've never seen a poorly scored 12 round fight.

Maybe you are fine with the notion that a 12 round fight allows a longer period for poor scoring to correct itself. I don't. A badly scored round is a badly scored round. Just because it ends up not mattering over 10 rounds doesn't make it any better.

 

Of course I have. It has more to do with bad judging than the system. I've always argued that I'd like to see more 10-8 rounds without a KD. And I think it's bogus that a flash knockdown is automatically makes a round 10-8. It's crap.

But so are the judges. And I fear what would happen if they were allowed more creativity in their scoring.

It's silly and childish that you won't concede the fact that the current 10-point must system is suited better for fights with more rounds.

This says it all. Yes, if the right fighter gets the decision, it DOES make it better.

 

I'm pretty sure I cleary said the problem is more obvious in shorter fights.

What is childish is to pretend that bad decisions don't happen in boxing because the fights are longer. No, I take that back. It's not childish, it's more akin to sticking your head in the sand and denying a problem exist despite claiming to be a long time fan of boxing.

Again, end of discussion for me. This is pointless because your obvious tilt is to slam MMA because of the scoring when the real issue isn't fight length but scoring methodology. It would be a cool discussion but your fear of MMA won't allow you to be objective.

 

Wow, you can't read at all. What's the matter with you Trplsec? Of course boxing scoring is garbage.

How does that have anything to do with a system that was designed for boxing being better suited for boxing?

 

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