Yeah I doubt he'll sub Rua, and he couldn't control Bader at all. Doesn't look good for Shogun, who's one of the harder guys to control in the division.
I call a spade a spade. The first 2 fights on the card were awful. Not sure how anybody can say they are good.
TLC, my apologies. I put away a few last night and took a few cheap shots at you. Its not my style, and just wanted to publicly say I'm sorry.
I thought the fights were boring, save for Silva fronk kick ko of Belfort wich was amazing but still made for a dissapointing fight as it was short and tame before the ko.
You don't appreciate grappling at all. So your opinion doesn't mean much considering how biased you are.
Didn't Forrest Griffin BEAT Shogun Rua???...Didn't Forrest Griffin STOP Shogun Rua???... Bones Jones > Shogun Rua... REED:hammert:
I do appreciate it, that doesn't mean it's always entertaining. Both of the first 2 fights were stand up fights and they sucked.
I don't consider myself to be particularly good at picking MMA fights compared to boxing. I find MMA to be more unpredictable (which is one of the things I like about it actually). However, the 3 main fights on this card were all incredibly obvious. Jones Vs Bader. I convinced myself this fight was more intriguing that it really was. A lot of you guys on here seem to think Bader is good. I don't, but I thought maybe I'm wrong. In the back of my mind though I just thought, no, Bader is not very good, and has almost no chance against Jones Forrest Vs Franklin. Pretty obvious this fight would be evenly matched. Two average, workhorse type fighters. And Silva Vs Belfort was a joke, anyone with any sense would know not only was Silva going to win, but Vitor wouldn't make it out of the first round. I gotta admit though, that was a fucking awesome front snap kick. BTW I agree with Newbraski. Jones is clearly legit, but the funny thing is his striking is not as good as advertised, and yet his ground game is better. Beating Rua though? I wouldn't be shocked, but I doubt it. I wouldn't put much stock in the Griffin fight either REED. Rua looked like shit in that fight. For whatever reason, that wasn't the proper Rua that showed up in that fight.
The fact that so many people log in and come into the MMA forum to comment on how boring a card was, says a ton. I remember paying PPV money to watch Tyson get a first round KO and never felt ripped off. The same is true watching Anderson Silva get a one-of-a-kind KO. Worth ever penny. I can remember initially getting Showtime and HBO for the boxing. Now it's more for Dexter, Entourage, etc. Sad but true.
Well that's how the people at my place saw it. I couldn't really disagree on the whole event. I was impressed by Jones beating Bader but beyond that the PPV fights that were shown live weren't to good. Torres fight sucked, Ellenberger fight wasn't good,Jones was good but the fight really wasn't,Griffen-Franklin was OK and the main event was 2 guys staring at each other for over 3 minutes until the ending. It's nice that the MMA hardcores think it was a good event but a lot of casuals saw it as pretty dull. BTW-Funny enough it's to bad Rocha couldn't get Ellenberger to the ground more. The entertaining round of that fight was mostly on the ground. The next 2 rounds were pretty dull.
It says alot that a show like this gets complaints, because its not as consistant as other MMA shows. If its not ACTION PACKED NON STOP ACTION, its considered boring. That shows how much MMA delivers on a consistant basis. The bones fight and silva fight were worth the money for me. THe kick alone was great. I work, i make money and i didnt mind paying for this.
To me, I simply never care what the casual fan thinks about MMA at all. The casual fan thinks Leben-Akiyama was a great fight and that Zombie-Garcia is the greatest MMA fight of all time. If guys aren't ball room brawling most don't give a shit. Which is fine, because the hardcore contingency can still enjoy the product.
i actually missed the silva KO. when i glanced back on the screen, belfort was already out and i had to settle for the slo-mo replay. all-in-all, it was a lame event. either way, i wasn't expecting much anyhow.
TLC is so right on. Casual fans still talk about Tank Abbot for Christ's sake. :: Neil cracks me up, "another black eye for MMA":atu: Keep on trying, homey. :laughing: Good night of fights, I have it on my DVR and have already watched it 2 times since. (as most of you know I was a little snockered the night of)
Truthfully Dana White and the UFC got the opposite of a black eye. It was a huge win for them. The Silva knockout was a huge boost. Seriously, it was a much hyped PPV event and the next day everyone is talking about "the kick". A black eye is more likely to be caused by the two top 140 pound boxers meeting in a partially filled arena with a tiny TV audience and then stinking up the place before one of them quitting after a headbutt. THAT is a black eye inducing event.
Same reason I wasn't insulted that Manny-Oscar was sold as a major PPV. When the best P4P fighter in the world fights, even if it's against an older, washed up opponent, it is still an interesting spectacle. And it delivered one of the most incredible knockouts in MMA history. Honestly, enough said.
I see many differences. But in terms of them being sold as major PPV's, there are many similarities as well. At the end of the day, Silva/Belfort was memorable because of the dramatic, highlight reel KO. Manny/Oscar was just a beatdown of a washed up fighter. In terms of historical importance, Manny/Oscar wins hands down but that has more to do with a sport with a long history and one with a short history. I paid for both and didn't feel the least bit ripped off with either. But then again, I can let both sports peacefully coexist without a need to slam either. You might want to try that.