UFC 141 Lesnar vs Overeem

Agreed.

 

overall, it was an awfull card, Brock basically cashed out and didn't give any kind of effort at all it seemed. In my perfect world, a part big part of his purse would be suspended. Cerrone-Diaz was ok but one sided and underwhelming. Fitch-Hendricks, Janitor-Mauler both had quick ko's that weren't nearly brutal enough to compensate for the lack of action prior to it. Pham-Hettes, I didn't watch with enough attention to be sure, but it looked like one sided garbage.

 

I agree, and yeah it seemed like a cash out fight. If Brock knew he wasn't in good enough condition to fight, he should have never signed to fight, he should have just retired.

He wasn't up to the task, and wasn't prepared to even make a go of it. He got hurt and quit, and never tried to actually win the fight.

Still impressive the way Alistair just crushed him, but doesn't say that much about his chances Vs Dos Santos imo, he was fighting a guy who wasn't even trying to win.

 

Yeah, but Cerrone has looked very good in his other 3 UFC fights this year so you have to give a ton of credit to Diaz for making him look THAT inept on his feet.

Going into the fight last night, almost everyone gave the striking advantage to Cerrone as people continue to underate the boxing of the Diaz brothers. But it was clear last night that Cerrone simply faced a more fluid, technically-sound striker. It doesn't look fancy from Diaz because he's lanky and the punches seem soft, but he effectively jabs and puts combinations together which is heads and shoulders above most other MMA strikers.

And Nick and Nate are both so comfortable off their backs that they can really almost JUST box as they aren't worried about getting taken down. It's almost a very subtle fact but it has a huge impact on staying technically correct with their boxing stance and balance when throwing 3 and 4 punch combination.

 

I never said Alistair is the SAME guy. I just said that he still tires just as easily and when he does, his stand up gets sloppy. We saw that just months ago against Werdum. I'm not uncovering some Kennedy-like conspiracy. I am simply talking about what I've seen. Period.

And don't go overboard due to last night's win. Lesnar has been completely diminished by illness and inactivity. And last night we learned that he also had no willingness to really fight as proved by his premeditated decision to retire. Overeem's win was impressive but does absolutely nothing to change my opinion about his issues with fatigue and heart.

That being said, the guy is huge and will be fun to see step in the cage with JDS. I have no issue with saying Overeem is the most deserving challenger. Now let's see how he does with Junior.

 

Not a bad way for Brock to go out.

Cerrone, in contrast, took a helluva beating and a big backward step in the rankings for $30k. Ouch.

 

Honestly? I though it was sloppy. One guy didn't look like he knew how to fight. The tall lanky guy was winging arm punches and winning easily. The guy with the busted mouth was tripping him, I don't know how you score that.

 

No, not a bad way at all. Hell, Brock deserved over 30x that on the established boxing ppv model, but in the ufc's new improved version, $400K (!!!) is a sweet deal.

And a seasoned veteran in a co-main event...$30k (!!!)...oh yeah...oh yeah...that's like 1/10 of a very bad pro athlete's annual take in other sports so why should he be sad? Heck, he only had to perform for 15 minutes. I'd say he got a very sweet deal, too.

Meanwhile, those hardworking Fertita's probably only made 95% of the money the ppv brought in that was available for distribution to the fighters. Generosity like that commands respect alright.

 

Really? OK, I'll bite. Who's the boxer with 7 pro fights that pulled down $12 million for a single fight?

Brock made out very well in the UFC.

 

7 fights in mma is like 25 fights in boxing, though.

 

Donald getting 30k is pretty weird. No wonder he fights 5 times a year, he probably has to pay half his earnings to his team and other expenses.

 

Find me a pro boxer who can lead a ppv after 7 pro fights. Maybe Khan did in England?

Whatever this ppv sales were, the vast majority is due solely to Lesnar and his popularity. I guessed 1M in sales...$50 M in revenue...fighter gets 1/3 of that or around $17M...don't want to argue specifics...so give away $5M of that to undercard or ppv provider or whoever you want...and Lesnar ends up with $12M.

That's with me trying to be generous to the other side of the argument. Personally, I think Lesnar getting only $12M would be underpayment if my estimates are correct.

 

But wait, we're talking about the current boxing model compared to Lesnar's pay.

So again, show me a fighter with 7 pro fights that can even pull down $400K in a single bout? And keep in mind, he also has 2 loses and is not undefeated as in your Khan example.

You can't just compare the parts that suit you're side of the debate.

The truth is Lesnar was able to parlay his wrestling popularity into being the highest paid fighter in the UFC WITHOUT having to pay his dues on the way up or even proof himself worthy of being in the UFC.

All I know is if a fighter that looked like shit in his last two fights (Carwin and Velasquez) can still pull down $400 for the turd he turned in against Overeem, he should be happy as a pig in shit.

 

I'd be curious to see the buy rate for UFC 141. Lesnar averaged over a million "reported" buys in his fights against Carwin and Cain. But the UFC has been averaging right around 250K buys this year for any card not involving Jon Jones. The cards with Jones are doing a reported average of about 450K buys.

I think the brutal loss to Cain as well as Overeem's lack of popularity in the US might have diminished the sales for 141. We will see.

 

Who cares about how much these guys get paid. It's a tired argument.

It's a hobby, that most people do for fun, in theyr spare time, and fight for free (some even pay to have fights)t. The fact that these guys are even paid is enough of a compensation.

 

I don't think that Lesnar looked like shit against Carwin. sure he showed some vulnerability, but his heart and the way he managed to snatch victory probably enhanced his popularity

 

Well, to his fans, you're probably right.

To me, however, he looked like a guy that had no business being in the cage. He retreated badly whenever Carwin threw a punch and literally fell to the fetal position without being hit cleanly or being taken down. It was the first time we saw him look green in my opinion.

But I will concede that it probably only made his fans more rabid because he pulled off an amazing comeback win.

 

Yep. Well-said. There are guys fighting in small shows ALL over the world dreaming of making the $30K that Cerrone made and being in the UFC.

 

you're being sarcastic, right?

 

Those guys aren't selling out big arenas or part of the reason people are willing to pay $60 to watch at home.

 

I kind of felt bad for Lasnar taking those brutal knees and that kick to his guts that he just had major surgery on. That couldn't have felt good. I'm very much looking forward to JDS vs Overeem.

 

I noticed that Nate Diaz tried 3 or 4 different times to clinch Cerrone and perform a judo trip/throw. Now I know why. Nick and Nate spending some time with Olympic Judo medalist Rhonda Rousey and Godfather's favorite fighter, Manny Gamburyan.

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Yep, there's really no comparison.

Lots of people do game development as a hobby, does that mean I and other professional game devs don't really deserve any money, and should be lucky to get anything at all? ::

It's an absurd argument.

I know the UFC pay has been getting generally better, but a name fighter like Cerrone getting 30k on a PPV is crap.

I wonder how much of that 30k he even gets after expenses.

 

you got whooped by a midget! ::

 

Cerrone got a 75,000 bonus as well as the 30K base pay, had he won he would have got 60K plus the 75K bonus.