UFC 193 |Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm

In essence you're saying you prefer Floyd's cuntiness to Rousey's. Which is damning within itself because she actually has one.

 

Jones was never as asshole to fans. In fact most boxers like/liked him. He was a dick and had little time for writers so they gave him a hard time and wrote a lot of shit about him.

Floyd has insolated himself from the average fan. You saw what Tyson had to say about him prior to the Pacquaio fight. Plus, that story came out (told by Tyson) that when he was accused of abuse or rape in 2001 or so it was due to Floyd getting some bitch to falsely accuse Mike because Mike was fucking her too. And this was before he had a shit ton of money.

So yeah, I can see how guys think Floyd "isn't as bad as people say." :notallthere:


Oh yeah, Rousey's a bigger cunt than Floyd.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA24sDTpMuA

 

Our feelings towards certain individuals are subjective anyway.

How did Hans Landa put it: "You don't like them (rats). You don't really know why you don't like them. All you know is you find them repulsive. "

Ronda Rousey gets on my nerves (and many other people's evidently) and I wanted her humbled not just for herself but also for Dana White and Joe Rogan who suggested that she could beat men. Something had to happen when all that shit was said and done.

And honestly Muzse (and REED) I'm not getting drawn into some strawman argument shit in which I'm trying to defend Floyd. Floyd is human and has nasty ways like everyone else. I respect what he's accomplished as a fighter and that's that.

Rousey was getting too overconfident and cocky and believing her own hype. I'm glad she was humbled.

 

Fair enough. Again, this isn't going to be a Sly Defends Floyd's outside of the ring antics thread, I'm just saying that Ronda made her bed and now she must lie in it. If Floyd lost badly to a 20-1 underdog after talking all of his shit...he would have been given the same shit. That's just how life is.

 

REED Doesn't Begrudge Floyd's ARROGANCE...To Be a Successful FIGHTER, You'd BETTER Be Over the Top CONFIDENT in Yourself...

The WAY Floyd Carries Himself is Another Matter Altogether...

A PISS POOR Example/Role Model for Young Black Men...Surrounding Himself w/YES MEN, Laughing On Cue @ Floyd's Slightest (Non-Humorous) Utterance...Posting Pics of his Fight Checks or His Million Dollar GAMBLING Receipts, Or Him Counting Absurd Amounts of Cash, on Social Media Outlets...Carrying Around THOUSANDS of Dollars in Cash, in a Fucking Backpack...Insisting that his Bodyguards Wear Upwards of $50,000 in Jewelry EACH...Constantly TALKING about Money, How Many Bugatti's He Has, How Many HOMES he Has, How his "Shit is PAID For"...

Roy Jones was Arrogant about his BOXING TALENT...Floyd is Arrogant about That AND his Lifestyle Outside of the Ring, as if ANYBODY Gives a Flying Fuck...

HUGE Difference in the 2, Bruh....




REED:kidcool:

 

Strawman.

I'll just say this...Floyd has his haters...and they are justified, Ronda has her haters...and they are also justified.

I just happen to root against Ronda and for some reason that bothers you.

 

For all you guys that criticize Ronda's haters.....here's a good article to read.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2590728-the-question-why-did-the-world-turn-on-ronda-rousey

 

REED Isn't "Bothered" by You Rooting AGAINST Ronda, REED Just Wondered How You Could Cite ARROGANCE as the Reason, While Supporting Floyd...

@ this Point, the Dead Horse has Been Beaten Into "Bolivian" Though, So REED Disgresses...





REED

 

Yeah, that discussion has been done a million times over. They're not talking about that though, they're talking about a female MMA'er doing it to a male boxer.

 

Yup but an advantage in strength and athleticism can trump technical skills if the advantage is big enough.

Taking it to the extreme to illustrate my point...the best Human grappler in the world would lose a fight against a Silverback Gorilla, even though the Gorilla hasn't trained in the martial arts. Why? Sheer strength and ferocity. Doesn't matter what moves they do to the gorilla they're going to get fucked up.

An athletic male fighter is so much faster, stronger, tougher and more aggressive than a woman close to his size that even IF she managed to get close enough to him to grab him without getting knocked the fuck out in the process of doing so....just his reflexes speed strength and sheer aggression may be enough to prevent her from submitting him.

 

Running away, is what some people might say Holm did to Rousy when what she actually did was use superior feet work. It would be the same thing with the boxer in this instance. If the boxer were able to maintain distance with their feet work he gives himself a better chance. However Royce Gracie pretty much showed us how hard it is to beat a bjj fighter even when you know what he's going to do. I still question a woman bjj doing it over a male boxer though or in this instance Rousy doing it to Floyd.

 

It cracks me up that Holm being an accomplished boxer has some how again fueled the talks of boxer vs mixed martial artist.

To be clear, because it seems like some aren't aware, Holly Holm started her professional MMA career BEFORE Rousey. And she's been training MMA longer than that. Throw in the fact that she's been training since day 1 with one the top gyms in the world and you should understand that Holm is as much, if not more, as well-rounded a mixed martial artist as Rousey.

Holm didn't just step out of the boxing Ring and into the UFC cage to best Rousey. She has put in the same or more hours as Rousey to compete in The MMA world. It wasn't just boxing that earned her the belt.

 

Its a fascinating dichotomy. You love the result in part because of hating Rousey but if not for the things you hate about her, you wouldn't have even cared about the result.

Personally I give Rousey a ton of credit just for making me care about two chicks fighting at 135 pounds. The sweet, humble, soft spoken Holm would never have been noticed by non MMA fans if not for the polarizing character that is Ronda Rousey.

And Holm beating Rousey being a victory for boxing is as uninformed as saying Couture-Toney was a victory for MMA.

 

Real MMA fans respect boxing as a martial art. Boxers can succeed at the highest level in MMA when they learn other skills like takedown defense and defensive grappling. Some of my all time favorite fighters are the guys who made boxing work in the octagon. Junior dos Santos is a great example, before the last 2 fights with Cain. JDS made boxing work in MMA in the way that Machida made karate work in MMA. Great strikers with good takedown defense (and the experience and technique to get up if they get taken down) will always do well in MMA.

 

So what? She started a couple weeks before Rousey, so what?

Perhaps you misunderstand the point I was making, so let me make it clear:

The bout was a victory for boxing, because it was the skills acquired in boxing that were on display in that fight and helped the victory: Jabs, straight lefts, using the ring, balance, ducking and weaving. Those are the things that took their toll on Rousey. Her boxing was more effective than Rousey's Judo. I'm not saying it was a victory for Boxing over MMA...but it was a victory for boxing over Judo.

I agree that it wasn't just boxing that won her the fight and I've said as much in his thread. She showed the ability to deal with grappling, showed good kicks...without those other abilities she would have lost. But her boxing base proved more effective in fighting than Rousey's Judo base.

 

The only folks spouting that nonsense are those who know nothing about either sport.

 

THIS

Well said REED. All of what you said is the reason for his celebrity.

 

I think you dream about Mayweather at night. You're obsessed.

As for me, I don't like Rousey and glad she lost. Simple as that.

 

Same can be said of Cassius Clay in the early days. Many people tuned in just to see him lose. Nothing new about hating the person that caused your interest.

You're right. If it wasn't for Rousey's polarizing nature I wouldn't have even been interested in the fight or any women's MMA fight for that matter. Absolutely right, I don't deny it.

 

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He knew...
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word.

 

Well that's the perception, whether it's true or not...and you can blame Dana White for that as much as Ronda.

You see, it's very insulting to boxing fans and boxers alike when you say a little woman would beat the P4P best boxer in the world. That's having zero respect for that sport.

Secondly Ronda was acting as though she could learn a little boxing and compete with a Laila Ali in the ring or some shit. She even said, prior to the fight with Holm, that she's a better striker than Holm...suggesting the boxing skills don't translate to MMA striking skills.

So saying that she dragged boxing through the mud may be an exaggeration, but you can see why people got that idea. That's why most boxing fans are ecstatic at seeing her get dominated and brutally stopped by a former boxing champion. Serious irony.