UFC 203 - MIOCIC vs OVEREEM, WERDUM vs BROWNE and the Debut of CM PUNK

@ the way he lost. He got taken down and submitted. So do many high level fighters in a very similar way. That was a very good double leg take down. He was showing good defense on the ground from the subs, but you cant keep a brown belt off you for too long when they got your back.

Mark Hunt's Debut

https://vk.com/video41349733_164673435


Wanderlei SIlva's UFC debut he was embarrassed by Belfort.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRDFHZ8AaM

Shogun's Debut vs. Forrest Griffin he got embarassed.

Stephen Sturve embarassed by JDS in his UFC debut.



Then there are people that actually just got embarrassed similar.


Josh Barnett looked silly vs. Travis browne, destroyed in 60 seconds
Cro-Cop Got knocked out in the first round by a head kick
Henderson got totally embarrassed by Cormier
Chuck Liddell destroyed by Rampage
Sturve destroyed by browne, nelson & Hunt in humiliating fashion first round.
Overeem destroyed by Rothwell.




I could list many examples. My point is that Yes, CM Punk was outmatched. Yes, CM Punk should have started with a lower level organization, but the UFC contacted him. ANd the only reason people want to act like this is some huge embarrassment is because he came from the WWE. Well people with much more well established Martial Arts backgrounds have gotten embarrassed just as bad, if not worse than this in their UFC debuts or even well into their UFC Careers.

 

He looked the same way when Northcut got beat, Ronda got beat and PVZ got beat. I think people are making too big a deal over this based on the history of this happening many times to many high level fighters.

 

I get it. But my point is that being a proven commodity doesn't save you from a similar beat down. Duke Roufus is a HIGHLY respectable trainer. He is not going to let anyone fight under his name that isnt prepared. I think this was a bad match up for Punk. I honestly, would have loved to see him in there with Northcut on his debut. But that is besides the point. My point is that this loss doesnt mean that the Punk is a joke or that the fight was a joke. Cub Swanson lost his first fight ever in 15 seconds by a submission. Swanson is a high level fighter in the UFC. Jacare lost his first MMA fight by kO in the first round. And Look at him now. Arlovski lost his first MMA fight. Cyborg lost his first MMA fight. Some of these people went on to be champions.

 

He didnt say that. He said it probably shouldn't be. Punk signed a multi fight contract with the UFC. Doesn't mean he wont be cut, but i wouldn't be surprised if Punk ended up on the Ultimate Fighter or something of that nature.

 

I disagree with that. The card did roughly 700 PPVs, because he was on the card. And never fighting before doesnt mean anything. He has trained for years. He Trained 4 years with Rener Gracie and two years with Roufus. He was training side by side with World Champions. And i dont know what you saw that made him look like a joke. He was defending well on the ground, but Gall got his back. Again, there are people with extensive fighting experiences that have had similar or worse outcomes in the UFC. So how the hell can you suggest what you are suggesting?

 

Also, go fuck yourself. Im discussing the topic. You don't want to debate it or think im being contrarian, fucking ignore me.

 

You brought up why he was on a main card. James Toney has plenty of fighting experience and was much more embarrassed than Punk. But he was on the main card.

I would ignore me too. Because you calling him a joke because he got beat, when others, who have gone on to be champions got beat in similar or worse fashions in their first MMA fight ever is ridiculous. It's a joke because a guy who is training with one of the top striking coaches in the world, who trained side by side with The UFC welterweight champion Tyron Woodley, The ONE Welterweight Champion Ben Askren & the Former Lightweight Champion Anthony Pettis is making his debut against a 2-0 fighter? Fuck out of here man. Yeah, his name got him a special seat at the table. But so what? The guy is training with legit people for over 2 years now. He has to make a debut sometime.

 

But that is exactly MY point. Someone with great striking ability ended up being finished in a more embarrassing fashion than punk. Which is why I said you cannot attribute his loss to lack of fights. He could have been a highly skilled striker and still be submitted by a brown belt.

 

In what aspects is his striking and ground game a joke? yeah, Duke Roufas is going to put his reputation on the line for a joke. that makes no fucking sense. I saw him defending himself pretty damn good against a brown belt in there. He knew the right things to do. But you are never going to win if a brown belt gets your back. Not going to happen. And again, he was training with one of the top striking coaches in the world for two years. Trained side by side with world class strikers and wrestlers, but his striking is a joke? Based on what?

 

Based him touch sparing you have conluded he cant strike. But one of the best striking coaches on the line, said he would not sign off on the fight until he was ready? So Roufus just put his rep on the line because of what? I also never said he was a tremendous striker, but based on your extreme accusation, it's clear you have no clue.

 

Im actually not a wrestling fan, Reed is. But that's besides the point. Cyborg looked like shit in her MMA Debut. Cub Swanson. Swanson was subbed in 15 seconds in his MMA debut. You have no basis for what you are saying. You are looking at touch sparring and you are evaluating a guy. That is like saying Paul Spadafora would wup mayweather cause of sparring. And you cannot get around the fact that this guy was being trained by one of the sport's top striking coach for 2 years. but yeah, his striking is garbage because, you know, wwe and and sherdog.

 

The guy trains Pettis and current UFC welterweight Champion and Current ONE fighting Welter Champion. Yeah, he cares.

 

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Yeah he is a good fighter. Nah, i dont have the video. But he was subbed in 15 seconds.

 

This guy cares about his students man. He was talking about the pettis fight last week and he was saying that had pettis lost, he would have quit coaching. That is how much he cares about his reputation.