This is true, though I wouldn't be surprised at all if Marquez went down a few times, even in the first round, before staging one of his comebacks, after figuring Valero out... Or it could just be a one sided beating, and Valero done in about 5-6 rounds... Who knows.
marquez is a dangerous, highly skilled guy, and one of my favorite fighters that I've followed since his career began. the truth is, he's never defeated anyone at lightweight as good as valero.
That's weird because he really doesn't look big to me. Maybe he is bigger than he appears on screen, because he seems better suited to lightweight than 130. But have you seen Manny in person since he's fought at lightweight? He looks pretty filled out these days, and he can't be more than about an inch shorter than Valero. They are both listed at 5'6, but I think Manny is more like 5'5.
Casamayor - as old as he is - is better than Valero on a good day. And I despise Casamayor, but he is a tough, crafty old bastard. A Juan Diaz is a far more proven fighter than Valero too. Him against Edwin would be a pick em fight. I think the more accurate fact of the matter is Valero has never fought anyone 1/10th as good as Marquez.
You've obviously not watched Valero's fight with Mosquera. When and if you do you will see that he indeed can box and win rounds doing so. And he has twice the heart and twice the stamina that Freitas had.
JMM nearly got KO'd by Juan Diaz. What happens if valero has JMM on the ropes like Diaz did? He ain't making it to the next round, that's what.
i don't know about Valero's chances against JMM, but i disagree that JMM was nearly KO'd by Juan Diaz. nearly KO'd fighters don't return fire with combinations after getting hurt. the other thing is, Juan's defense is much better than Valero's. and Valero has been down. His chin and ability to recover from punishment hasn't been tested anywhere close to the extent JMM's has. and in general, JMM chews up aggressive fighters with his counter-punching abilities. at any rate, it's a fight i'd love to see because i believe Valero when he says that the second his opponent makes a mistake, they will get hurt. the question is, will JMM capitalize on Valero's mistakes first? and if he can, does he knock Valero out? Valero does seem stronger but obviously not as technically polished. would be a great fight, maybe not unlike JMM's fights with Pacquiao although I don't think Valero has the foot-speed that Pacquiao does which might make it less difficult for JMM. we should also keep in mind that although Campbell had beaten Diaz prior to JMM, nobody had knocked him out before. That speaks volumes to JMM's power and skill, given the amount of good fighters Diaz had fought by the time he took on JMM.
I give Valero a chance against either Manny or JMM simply because of his power. he can ice either guy. He's not going to outwork Pac and he won't outbox JMM, but he can beat both at the power game providing he can take it.
Huh!? Sorry Marquez was stunned in the early couple of rounds, but I don't remember ever seein him in any trouble that would remotely resemble him also gettin knocked out...
Not getting knocked out as in out and on the canvas for 10 seconds. He was staggered...that left hook in round 2, I think, being the most significant but yeah, nothing that I remember supports "nearly KO'd".
On the other hand, Marquez does take his tiime getting into fights, and maybe a little more against southpaws, and if he lets Valero start the way Pac did in the first fight he might not get a round 2.
Very Very true, which is why this fight is dangerous, and why I said in my opinion of the fight that Valero could very well score some early round knockdowns, but again if he doesn't finish him off early...JMM will disect him...
Ok, so he wasn't nearly KO'd I embellished a bit. :: He damn sure was hurt and staggered a bit though. The point is, this is Juan fucking Diaz who couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag we are talking about. He backs into the ropes and lets valero get off like that and it's over.
He is a sharp puncher though...even Zuri Lawrence staggers almost every fighter he has faced but look at his KO percentage. Look at Joe Morales that guy gave Rocky Juarez his first ever KD, and look how many KO's that guy has as well. Many many fighters with low KO percentages still can stagger or put a man down even if they have a great chin. Diaz has a couple of times stopped and put down men who never have been stopped in their career.
yo mofo's Valero is so over hyped, Marquez would batter him, actually i think Khan would probally too :boohoo:
This is EXACTLY how I would foresee the fight going- Valero having some spectacular early success before JMM gets to grips with the task and rallies and taking Valero into very deep waters en route to a sound beating. MTF
Nah, when he steps up, his fearsome power shall be proven overrated. I'm not saying he can't punch, because clearly he can, that's his main attribute. More that his power is not quote as ferocious as advertised. Just like Freitas. I would bet that Pacman hits harder.
All this Valero Hype Reminds REED of how GIDDY Some Fans were after Ricardo Mayorga KO'ed Six Heads & Vernon Forrest...But @ Least in Mayorga's Case, it was MORE Warranted than it is for Valero...WHO has Valero KO'ed that even APPROACHES Vernon Forrest????... Hell, Pitalua & Mosquera WEREN'T Even as Highly Regarded as Six Heads, when Mayorga KO'ed him....Yet Some of Ya'll R ALREADY Swearing by this Guy???... REED:dunno:
I don't know that Mayorga is the best comparison...seems to me the most they share is a similar geography. Punchers, and percieved punchers, get hype...the same way Freitas, Miranda and Julio did. The same way Haye does.
