Valero Vs DeMarco predictions

Duran would have definitely beaten Corrales...but if you listen to some people here you'd swear that Duran pissed lightening and crapped thunder.

 

Valero would have whipped Corrales like a bitch. Chico way too slow and easy to hit.

 

Chico's punches weren't slow. His punches could find their target pretty quick, plenty of fighters didn't see that left hook coming inside.

Like I said, Valero would almost certainly be winning by the time Chico caught him, but no fighter as aggressive as Valero is going to beat Chico in a firefight. Especially one as small as Valero. Valero is hittable enough too, it's not like Chico would find it hard to land, especially given how aggressive Valero is.

 

RJJ, who would you pick out of Pacquiao and Valero?

 

Valeor would be winning when the corner saves Chico from himself. He'd get shit kicked horribly.

 

Khan will beat him

 

I think it's a bit premature to confidently state Valero would beat Corrales. Based on what? He's beaten Mosquera and DeMarco.

Don't get me wrong, he is a good fighter, but he's still somewhat unproven. Saturday was a good performance and he showed he's a warrior with balls, fighting with that massive gash, but you have no idea if he even has a chin.

He's never faced a puncher. Let him get hit by someone with even half Chico's power before acting like he's a lock to win.

 

That's pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty unlikely, even though Khan is twice his size.

 

Edwin valero is a supremely good fighter, with the right tools to be an ATG. The way he stood in after getting brutally elbowed and fought on strong...thats what winners do. I think Valero is very very solid even now.

 

My sentiments exactly. I was very impressed by his skills, the subtle things he did, his heart, etc. But it was Antonio DeMarco in there. That said, I think he can handle the rest of the division. But a mythical matchup against a far more proven Corrales? Come on.

 

Yep, as I said, I think that's what impressed me the most. Not just that he fought with the cut and won, but the fact that it didn't seem to bother him one bit, not even a tiny bit ::

And that's the main reason I would pick him over a lot of other people that I think are of a similar ability.

Still, we have no idea if Valero has a chin or not.

 

The main thing for me with this mythical matchup, is it's assuming that Valero has a Castillo like chin, when has he taken a shot from someone who hits even half as hard as Chico?

He's a small lightweight, I can't see him coming after Chico and taking his left hooks flush - which he undoubtedly would. And he's not really that similar to Floyd is he, what's going to do, suddenly become defensive and just pot shot Corrales all night? ::

 

Mex, you watch mate, SnD will be proven right again :kidcool:

 

We'll see old boy, we'll see.

Khan does actually look better since joining Freddie "The Alchemist" Roachenhausen, maybe due to the awesome PEDs he's feeding Khan, but I'm still far from sold on Khan.

He's still a chinny amateur with fast hands, just a bit better than before :kidcool:

Is he even fighting Maidana now or what? If he beats Maidana impressively, then I might start believing in him ;)

 

He did better vs Hagler than Hearns did. He also did better vs Leonard than Hearns did. That kind of has to be borne in mind. I think a keyed up Roberto would have fucked Floyd up, in short order.

 

It looks like Marquez at the moment dude

 

Pac in a very tough fight for Manny.

 

The sadist in me still wants Valero vs Juan Diaz in Houston.

 

according to steve kim, shaw is trying to stage bradley-valero in Mexico. if all comes through, then it would be televised by showtime.

i would favor bradley, but i would root for valero all the way!

 

I like both of them, but I'd make Bradley a solid favorite. He really looked excellent vs Peterson. Valero has never really dealt with speed before. He was able to pull away from Demarco's punches, but he wont get away with it w/Bradley. I see Timmy's lead right hand landing on Valero all night long. Still... it'd be a helluva fight!

140 is about to be the hottest division in boxing. You've got Bradley, Valero, Alexander, Khan, Maidana, and Ortiz.... all young, talented, and JUST hitting thier primes.

 

In the first 4-5 rounds of the fight, it kept nagging me that Valero reminded me of someone, and sadly it didn't dawn on me until about round 5 that he had a style so similar to Pac. In fact, the first thing that occurred to me was the notion of how Valero would do right now against Manny, which led me to look at all the similarities.

But the more I thought about it, the more I became certain that right now Pac would beat Valero handily in a fight that would go maybe 6 rounds. The bottom line is that Pac has advanced and improved in many subtle areas since his years fighting as a one-handed aggression machine. Valero needs that experience, and to perhaps bring in a few new trainers - not to change his style - but to refine it so he gets rid of a few bad habits.

If you could somehow take (a hopefully improved) Valero in 2 years against Pac from maybe 3 years ago, that would be an OUTSTANDING fight! Since Valero has excellent stamina, a lot of heart, an apparently excellent chin, good punching power, is a southpaw, and actually can BOX and show defensive movement when he needs to - all he is lacking is some refinement in training and in the ring against world class competition. If he doesn't end up crashing and burning in the next few years, I think you are looking at a guy who will be on p4p lists and will be extremely difficult to beat.

I also think Valero is crazy to keep moving up in weight. I don't care about what Manny is doing, Valero's frame is not jr. welter or welter material IMO, and all those things that got him by at lighter weights will erode as he moves up. See how he escapes counters by moving out and sometimes leaning back? As soon as someone has too much reach on you, that doesn't work anymore. Power punching? Valero is not IMO a one-punch knokcout guy at 135, and he will be less so at 140. If he finds he is having trouble hurting his opponents, then his method of breaking them down will suffer as well. Finally, his ability to come in quick and hit his opponents at the end of his punches (like vs. DeMarco) will suffer as well with a bigger opponent who can maintain just a bit more distance.

I realize that Valero will gravitate toward the money, and I wish him the best, but I think he will appear to be a lesser fighter than he really is at 140 and up. And his fights will be much harder, probably taking more of a toll on him.

 

Excellent post. And I agree, forget the KO ratio, Valero clearly doesn't have brutal 1 punch power at 135. But he's aggressive, pretty accurate, hits hard enough, and has offensive skill.

As I said earlier in the thread, he seriously looks like a featherweight FFS. His height, build, frame, it's featherweight material. He is no bigger than Marquez.

And ultimately yeah, at 140 he'll probably lose to people by just being undersized, outreached, his power not having the same effect etc.

I saw the similarities too, with the rawer Pacquiao of a few years ago.