Vitali versus a sparring partner

agREED. Johnson wasn't a worthy challenger. And if he is what passes for a "contender" in this crappy time for heavies, then the standards are even lower than I orginally thought.

 

Vitaly's built a career on fighting Johnson's of this world.
Any time he stepped up (be it against Oleg, Chris, or Lennox) he either got knocked out or quit.
This is the guy boxing establishment wants you to believe is the real deal, completely glossing over the fact that Vitaly's competition lags behind that of even John Ruiz.
Imagine Ruiz ducking Rahman......Imagine Ruiz ducking McCline.....
Imagine Ruiz being knocked out by one of the lightest-hitting punchers of all time......
Remember the time Vitaly was declared "The Ring's Heavyweight Champion of the World"?
At that time, he only had one (1) victory over top-10 contender and 2 losses (both by KO) to fighters at top 10.
In fact, The Ring declared him 'The Champion' after he defeated their #3 contender, despite the fact that their own #2 contender knocked Vitaly out.
Somehow, whenever it comes to Quitkos, people are completely willing to overlook the normal and time-honoured method of assesing the figther's achievements: namely, the level of opposition a fighter has defeated.
If this benchmark is applied to Quitaly, guys like Ruiz shit all over him.

 

I know you love to spam the board with this endless crap of yours. But I think you have mistaken me for someone who blindly defends Vitali. I'm not.

And BTW...Ruiz totally sucks. The heavyweight division dies a little more every single time someone refers to him as a "champion".

 

What does it tell us about Vitaly, then, considering the fact that Ruiz has defeated a higher caliber of opponents than Vitaly did?

 

Oh, no. I am NOT getting into this endless troll discussion with you. All I am going to say is Vitali's resume is pretty rancid, but Ruiz's is nothing to write home about either. And Ruiz's losses were much more embarrassing than Vitali's.

 

Ruiz fought (and defeated) better quality cruiserweights, than Vitaly (Holifield shits all over Gomez and Norris).
Ruiz fought better (and defeated) better quality cruiserweights, than Vitaly (Rahman and McCline, both fighters who Vitaly refused to fight, even signing after contract to do so)

Is it more embarassing to get knocked out by an average middleweight like Byrd, or to last 12 rounds with an all-time great like Roy Jones?

 

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If you are going to troll, get the facts straight at least. It was a shoulder injury in the Byrd fight. Vitali was also WAY ahead on the cards through 9, not just on "One German judge's card" as you said earlier.

You're just an everyday ordinary troll these days. You're clearly shot.

 

:atu:

 

Did Vitaly lose fight to Byrd by TKO? Yes or no?

It doesn't matter in boxing who's ahead on the cards, if one fighter stops the other. This is not amateur boxing. You stop the guy, you're declared the winner.
As to the judges.....Byrd was clearly ahead on any reasonable person card, when he stopped Vitaly.Vitaly's consistency in landing punches in the thin air doesn't count as something that wins the rounds.

 

Make it a "heavyweight"

The facts are:
Vitaly signed to fight Rahman. Refused to get in the same ring with The Rock.
Vitaly signed to fight Rahman again. Refused to get in the same ring with The Rock.
Vitaly signed to fight Rahman again. Refused to get in the same ring with The Rock.
Vitaly signed to fight Rahman again. Refused to get in the same ring with The Rock.

Ruiz signed to fight Rahman. Defeated The Rock in 12 rounds.
Somehow, it didn't enter Ruiz's mind to postpone his fight with The Rock 4 times, before refusing to fight his opponent.


The facts are:
Vitaly signed to fight McCline. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline
Vitaly signed to fight McCline again. Refused to get in the same ring with McCline

Ruiz signed to fight McCline. Defeated McCline in 12 rounds.
Somehow, it didn't enter Ruiz's mind to postpone his fight with McCline 7 times, before refusing to fight his opponent.


It's kinda telling that Vitaly consistently tries (and mostly fails) to build his resume on Ruiz's leftovers.

 

Sergei Kobozev:atu:

 

Oleg Maskaev :atu:

 

I agree with this. Ultimately boxing fans may well look back at Vitali and see him as one of the best, ever. And it is difficult to argue with results, especially in a case where you have someone not only winning, but dominating fight after fight.

But that gets to the core of what frustrates me about Vitali. Whenever he gets in the ring with someone who is excellent at something (which is rare), he looks vulnerable. His aggressiveness and pride may be his biggest weakness, in fact. As Irish pointed out, he is less vulnerable when he isn't trying to put hurt on someone. But inevitably he ends up pushing harder, especially as the fight wears on, to where he is leaning in and staying in too long, with his hands down. He is in literally perfect position to come forward and eat a monstrous counter head-on.

This is what I want to see someone take advantage of, but it never happens. Can you imagine how some solid counters would change the dynamic of the fight? Not only is Vitali succeptible to cuts and swelling, but he is also so accustomed to controlling everything - how would he proceed if his barrage of arm punches was getting slipped, and then countered effectively? If James Toney was actually heavyweight size, he would be the perfect anti-style for Vitali. But of course, he's only heavweight size in girth, and he's fat and unmotivated and old.

The Kevin Johnson fight sparked a bit of curiosity in me in terms of Vitali's vulnerability at this phase of his career, but that will likely quickly die down as Vitali crushes a few more bums and retires. I was never a big fan of the Klits, but I somewhat grudgingly accept that Vitali is an unusual talent and a fantastic heavyweight.

 

Which victories of his led you to such a conclusion?

 

I never thought I'd see the day when John Ruiz was used as a measuring stick for how good a HW champion is or was::

 

Well, when the heavyweight in question is Vitaly, using Ruiz as a benchmark is quite appropriate. And, even if you give it just a fleeting thought, the fact that Ruiz shits all over the Ukranian Coward, becomes obvious.


Vitaly built his career on fighting (or attempting to fight) Ruiz's leftovers.
This year Vitaly attempted (unsuccesfully) to approach the same level of competition that Ruiz was crushing 10 years ago. Vitaly failed. Again. (I hope no one asks me to explain how Holyfield of 10 years ago shits all over guys like Gomez, Arreola, and Kevin Johnson).

 

yawn

 

The only Cruiserweight that Holyfield of 10 years ago shits on is the Holyfield of 20 years ago.

 

How are people amused by this troll? He basically ruins every discussion on the fucking board. As soon as he goes into a thread I don't want to even look at it anymore.

Shame on the mods for keeping this sack of shit on the board.

 

who, Irish?

 

Dymipepel. Some humorous trolling is one thing, but this guy just ruins discussions with his same old tired shit. I really can't see why people find him funny.

 

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