Vitaly Klitschko 242.9 lbs Tomasz Adamek 216.1 lbs

Your English is regressing steadily.

McCloskey can't beat Khan, but Khan can't KO Paul, and his handlers know that a scrappy 12 rounder with a Southpaw who gives Amir a fat lip or a black eye is no way to emphasize his "GWS" status.

McCloskey knows this, doesn't himself want a 12 rounds worth of tripping-the-light-fantastic with Khan, so he takes the step-aside cash.

McCloskey vs Maidana is a good fight.

 

Aye. That's about the long and short of it...

Vitali is a good HW, undoubtedly the best in the world right now and IMO a top twenty HW all time. But in his one big chance at glory, he fought bravely but was outgunned by an ATG at the fag end of his career. Tells you everything for me.

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Khan has been fighting top level comp for eighteen months. Wins over Paulie and especially Maidana, who many expected to punch him through the floor, are both good wins.

Leave the cunt alone.

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Yes. He is a Genuine World Superstar.

 

No he isn't. But he's better than you want him to be.

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He's probably better than Paul McCloskey wants him to be too.

PS....how does Vitali do against 205lb Evander Holyfield, punching-back???

 

He beats Evander IMO. Evander does his Lennox performance.

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I wasn't trying to be cute.....by the way. My point simply was that Vitali had the misfortune to find his one ATG opponent to be probably the only one who was capable of doing what Lewis did. Fights with Holyfield, Tyson and Bowe would have been winnable fights with far less effort. Shit happens.....but its usually the case that there is another fighter down the line where the wasted years can be made up. Not so for Vitali, or, that fighter happens to be his brother.

 

Look, it's fashionable to bash the Klits for being lucky/boring/shit etc but I don't do that. Wlad has a lovely offense and an ATG great jab IMO but he is chinless. That is not me being negative: it is a fair observation based on his career to date. His brother is uglier in terms of technique but is very effective, tough as hell and gusty. This we can only guage from one fight, because he has only been challenged in one fight. He deserves, and gets, a lot of credit from that fight, because he took on an ATG and did better than almost everyone else against that guy bar the two guys who landed hail mary shots against him and subsequently got smashed in rematches.

The facts though are that he lost his only really tough fight. We've done to death the how's and why's, and it's far too late in the night for me to do this again, but the record shows that against an ATG he lost.

Does that mean he loses to every ATG? No. But it has to be indicative, because it is the only indication we have.

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Its probably only the very last line I have any lasting grudge with. Its a good indication of how he might do with Lewis. But thats about it. And, even worse, even it was a good indication with any applicability to any other fights, it is so often taken as being far more than that.

Ironically, it seems if he had never fought Lewis his "Mythical" chances with Lewis and other fighters would be stronger. Suddenly a 6 round slugfest with Lewis becomes a hindrance when considering his chances vs a 205lb Evander, or a 250lb George Foreman, or a 215lb Mike Moorer. ::

It's as Lewis becomes a gatekeeper for the 1990-2002 period, when in fact he was probably the true man in that era.

 

Probably??... :notallthere:

He raped and pillaged, ....as if the Irish of all people don't know what that means.

 

He didn't fight Tyson until 2002. He never fought Bowe and he didn't beat Evander until 1999......:nono: And he lost to Rahman. ....its clear......he's the runt of the Litter.:nono:

 

Every heavyweight has setbacks,.. Ali never beat Norton ,.. so making one man cry and the other impersonate his promoter is as sweet as revenge gets,.. I think Americans can thank to god Lewis existed,.. if not, this current life would be far more heinous.

 

Went as expected.
If Vitali had better punching technique, it would have been over within 4 rounds.
Imagine Adamek in against prime LL or Tyson. I honestly couldn't see him lasting more than 3-4 against either.

 

Vitali had him in the 2nd, and let him off. It had a lot more to do with mentality than technique.

 

Why do you think he let him off?

 

They're just safety first by nature I guess.

I find Vitali FAR less boring than Wlad, at least Vitali is actually pretty active and consistent and just beats guys up.

But it's obviously not just Wlad's chin that makes him safety first, it must be a mentality they share as Vitali hardly takes risks, and he actually has a very good chin.

 

Agree, I have never understood people who think Wlad is better... his punching technique is better, other than that, he's a soft womanly fighter

 

Don't know. He was doing it vs Sosnowski too. And Johnson. Half-assed show-boater

 

I guess when a guy wins every round & dominates so easily, he hasn't really got any good reason to change what he's been doing.
I reckon if Vitali was in a fight where it was really even on the cards, he would step it up-try something different-go for the K.O.

Wlad's a different story. I suspect that he's gun-shy.

 

People buy into the body-beautiful, superior-athlete, BS that has come to dominate boxing and sports in general.

 

Adamek has a lot of heart

 

Yep.
Haye would get dominated against Vitali. He has nothing to bother Vitali with. His windmill OH Rights would miss by miles.

 

Yes...and its a pity because I sincerely believe he could have challenged for a Heavyweight title in the mid 1990's or the early 2000's. He would not necessarily have won but would have absorbed far less punishment vs Schulz or Botha or Moorer or Tommy Morrisson or even Akinwande, Ruiz. His mobile approach just didn't work. He wasn't strong enough on the inside.

 

Even if they landed, Vitali wouldn't care.

Vitali actually has a better jab, in my opinion, than Wlad.

 

And Vitali would take them just fine on the off chance they did land

I don't rate Wlad, he is a chinless porcelain doll

But Vitali is a man in that ring, he's tough... he took some monstrous shots from Lewis and though wobbled a bit, never looked to be going down and he kept firing back... Lewis, in shape or not, was a vicious hitter, any guy that takes his shots and comes back with his own is a tough, tough guy

Wladimir would have been sound asleep, his face covered in blood from those shots... Wlad's negative, clinch whenever someone is within 5 feet of you style only works against the gutless dregs he's fighting... a real fighter with desire would be working when he tried that bullshit and would wear him out... Vitali doesn't fight that way, he isn't fighting with FEAR like his little brother does

Vitali's style is ugly and ungainly, but it works and the guy wins... the opponents may suck in general, but at least he beats them up even if it tends to be steady and unspectacular

Vitali would reach in and crush his brother's heart, he'd shitkick him

 

He could compete with the guys you mentoned for sure

I can't see him handling Holy, Tyson or Bowe by any stretch of the imagination, but he'd be competive with those other guys... his lack of real pop could hurt him against Moorer, who could be a real nasty SOB if he didn't think too highly of your punch

 

Adamek has a decent enough punch, but his movement was much better than Schulz or Botha, and they managed to avoid the incoming for a good while versus Moorer.

I think he would be smart and mobile enough to deal with Ruiz.

I think Adamek will retire now.

 

Try for Australia in the Rugby!! Thats my cue to retire for the night. Whats left of it.

 

Adamek showed heart, but never looked like a fighter that won world titles at two weights looked like a punch bhag by the end