wald pussy vs Frank Piñata

I'd like to see some fights between little Chinese kids.

 

I wonder how big it's going to get over there over the next couple decades.

 

Yup. There is boxing in schools here now and everything.

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No shit? Like high school boxing leagues?

 

Yes. Yes it was. The heavyweight champion of the world spent twelve rounds 'throwing' 'power parries' against a guy too small to hurt him :shit: It was an absolute atrocity, caused HBO to sack off heavyweight boxing and did a lot to create the present perception that 'heavyweight boxing is dead'.

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:crafty: it is going to be massive. You guys should invent new sports and tell everyone your best boxers are there. Nothing like planning ahead.

 

"Boxing is undergoing a big resurgence, with tens of thousands of people taking part in schools and gyms across the country each week. The number of people registered with amateur clubs in England has nearly tripled since 2005, and the sport is likely to get a further boost from David Haye winning a world heavyweight title 10 days ago.

The number of schools with boxing on the curriculum has jumped from 20 four years ago to 1,931 this year and the sport has become the toast of politicians and education experts who once dismissed it as too violent."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/15/boxing-popularity-schools-clubs

The first thing I pulled off google.

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I'm from Canada, where boxing is as strong as it's been in ages. But I'm not going to sit here and lie to myself by suggesting a guy like Jean Pascal is relevant if American boxing is as strong as it used to be.

 

Very cool. I guess Hatton has a lot to do with that, eh?

 

He spent 12 rounds doing what he was told until Manny suddenly decided to start telling him to do something else. As it happens, the old adage of how it "takes two to tango" applies here as much as anywhere, and Ibragimov decided that his best chance was to do fuck all and hope he got lucky, seeing as his reputation was not at stake. I am quite alright with Wlad shipping his share of the blame, provided there is some element of reason involved. As for HBO, they followed him over to Germany for non other than the Rahman fight, which suggests their interest in heavyweight boxing is directly related to how much money they can make from it.

 

American boxing.......:: Just what is "American Boxing"??? It used to be that the best American boxer was the best in the World. Now, if that was the case because he really was the best then that is cool. On the other hand, if the map of the World you are using looks like something drawn up by an amnesiac version of Ptolemy, then we may have to revisit the issue.

It is hard to make a case against an assertion that American boxing is in decline. What I do object to are the reasons put forward for, or explaining, that decline GIVEN that "decline" is a very relative concept. I can improve my own game, and if somebody better comes along, then I have "declined" nonetheless, irrespective of an actual improvement on my behalf.

Unfortunately, HBO, like FOX, prefers to talk shit to an unsuspecting audience and engage in glib catchphrases and newspeak.

Golota beats up Bowe....Bowe was "in decline".....but if he had fought....Jean Pierre Coopman, would his decline have been as pronounced, or even noticed?

 

I would say so, yes. Him, Calzaghe, Khan and even Haye have given boxing a high profile here for the last decade or so.

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1. Audley Harrison's Gold Medal In Sydney.

2. Boxerobics and White Collar Boxing.

.......have played significant parts. Furthermore, the retreat of amateur boxing from its former principles has reduced that aspect of boxing to a form of moderately dangerous fencing, thus encouraging otherwise and erstwhile Tecumseh's to take up the sport.

 

That was a fight for the unified world heavyweight championship. Wald threw more power parries than actual punches against an over-matched and undersized guy he could have breezed through in four rounds. It was the single worst fight I've ever watched. And the fault almost entirely lay with Wald.

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I have two of them here right now and another one when he finishes his shift at Jimmy Fongs House of Noodles.

How much you prepared to pay?

Don't make me go to WSHH with this shit. :nono:

 

Yes, American boxing. Like, when the light heavyweight division featured several good, well-schooled American fighters.

Now, there is Dawson and a 50-year-old Hopkins.

I love that boxing in Canada (especially Montreal) is big right now. Means I can go watch big fights with big crowds a few times every year. It's great news.

But guys like Bute and Pascal aren't world class guys 10, 15 or 20 years ago.

Let's take a look at hockey (my team sport)

The influx of amazing players from Russia, Sweden, Finland etc... has been great for the sport. It's the best thing that's happened to hockey over the last 20 years. But if the industry was dying in Canada (where the very best players have always come from and continue to come from) you would have an inferior product.

Fortunately, hockey is as strong as ever in Canada so you have an amazing mix. I LOVE that other countries are doing well in hockey right now. It's great for the game.

The best boxing nation historically has stopped producing boxers like it used to, so the game suffers. It's plain to see for anyone who's paying attention.

 

Why was it the best boxing nation, historically? It's like saying America used to be the best car producing country in the World, until other countries started making cars that is.

 

Well we don't know it would play it if America was still producing boxers like it used to. I'd love to see it though.

Are you seriously suggesting America is producing the same quality (and quantity) of boxer it used to?

 

No, nor did I ever. WHat I AM saying is that the lack of quality is highlighted by the marked increase in the quality of the product of the competition.

 

So what are you yammering about, then?

You agree, but when it gets pointed out, it's an excuse?

I have no issue with the end of your post. It's true. Boxing has never been more global - and considering the sport is struggling in its former go-to country, that's a good thing.

My hatred of wald pussy has absolutely nothing to do with where he comes from. My favourite athlete to watch right now is a man named Evgeni.

 

Oh wait, was he a great big fat guy?

 

You don't have a point. I see.

 

Yevgenny ::

Yes, its you who has the point. Your brain is there to keep your ears apart.

 

Excuses!! I agree, but, like, excuses!!!

 

You should do a thesis and see if you can identify an exact point in time where the BS about football/basketball began to get bandied about with great acclaim.

 

I don't care about that. Young American men aren't boxing, that's all any of us know for sure.

 

And young Soviet men weren't either when the Americans were. We know that for sure too.

 

No one is disputing that. Some of the former Soviet's would have been top guys in any era (Vitali, Tszyu etc..)

Others (wald pussy) would've been banished early if the talent pool was deeper.

No matter where the top guys are coming from, there are fewer top guys these days.

I'm sure a bunch of people on both sides care where these guys are from (you, for example)... I'm not one of them. I want high quality boxers and high quality prize fights.

 

Quick wiki search and I found: USA population in 1930: about 110 million. Great Britain population today: A little more than 1/2 that.

I'm not sure how popular boxing was in the usa in 1930, but it seems like it was as popular as what you are describing.

 

Boxing was massive in the USA in 1930.