Ward 168, Abraham 167

Even You DON'T Believe this SIMPLIFIED BULLSHIT You just Posted....



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Thats what the beef with me is. Its so obvious that Ward is being looked after. If that shit happened in Germany, we would never hear the fucking end of it.

Ward is good at what he does but would he be allowed to do it by different referees in different locales?

Thats the issue.

120-108 just tells me that Wards people have a lot of bases covered.

 

Just like saying that these tactics have no influence on the result, until somebody can make it a fight close. What logic do you follow here? That Ward can use illegal tactics like low-blows, as long as he clearly lands more punches? But if somebody can make it close despite these dirty tactics he earns the right to complain about the tactics afterwards? :scratcher:

 

If you watch...especially late, Abraham was the one initiating the holding and was satisfied at that.

Based on how wide and wild he punched, I'm not sure an inside fight is where he wanted to be. He needs extension on his shots to be effective and needs to have his feet set to punch.

Having space between them was Arthur's only chance and even in that regard he was afraid to let his hands go.

Wasn't there a round he threw NINE punches? Not landed...threw nine punches.

 

The bottom line is Abraham got undressed again last night. Undressed and took an ass kicking in the process. If the fight were close there'd be a reason to bitch. It wasn't.

Fine, the 120-108 score was a bit much but we're talking about a round or two Abraham could have won. There's no way he won rounds 11 or 12. I think guys want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he actually landed punches...there was a 7 or 8 round stretch he landed absolutely nothing of merit...thus when he finally did the knee jerk reaction was to give him more credit than deserved.

 

Yes theoretically breaking them up quickly should have benefited Abraham.

 

..and again I don´t follow that logic at all. Either it is a foul or it is not, that is totally independent from the scorecards. Rules are rules.

 

:truce::truce:

 

If you watch..especially most of the fight...Ward would stick his melon in Abraham's armpit and hang on and the ref would be stopping any action as soon as he could without warning Ward for his questionable tactics.

 

Ward reminds me of Hatton. Dirty and protected.

Abraham is boring as fuck. Worse than Rocky Juarez.

 

The Thing about So-Called "Dirty" Tactics is that BOTH Guys Can Indulge in them...If Ward is ALLEDGEDLY Hitting Low & Getting AWAY w/It (Due to Hometown Bias), the Guy FIGHTING Ward Can Do Likewise...Afterall, Ward's Fights R TELEVISED & Camera's DON'T Lie...

If Ward Low Blowed a Guy into "Bolivian", w/Out Penalty, yet the Opponent Got Penalized for RETALIATING, there ISN'T a Media Type OR TRUE Boxing Fan in the WORLD that would Gloss it Over...

As Is, U & Irish R GRASPING @ Straws & Having a Euro PITY Party...



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So U're Saying Ward DID NOT Do ANYTHING within the RULES to Beat Abraham???...EVERY SINGLE THING Ward Did to Win Last Night was AGAINST the Rules???....



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Woowwww.

Now I'm NO Ward fan at all..... but he's a hellluva lot more talented/skilled a technician than Hatton ever was.

Even though, prime Hatton was more exciting to watch.

 

:bangh::doh:

 

I agree that Ward is better than Hatton. But he's even dirtier, and as with Hatton in MEN, he gets away with murder.

And WTF@prime Hatton being exciting to watch. His favorite punch was the armbar, the guy was basically a pale 140 lb version of John Ruiz.

 

No doubt. He is hideous and very frustrating to watch.

I genuinely can't believe the guy ever had any fans, especially outside Germany.

 

Yes I say you can´t rob a grocery store in the afternoon, because you helped an old lady over the street in the morning.

 

Elterrible still thought he was going to knock Ward out. ::

 

I´d rather be a fan and put my predictions out there, no matter how serious they are to be taken, than being some miserable cunt acting like a know it all afterwards. But I´m sure you made a fortune betting against Abraham before the Super Six started and in every fight since. Ah no you probably haven´t, because you are all talk. :boring:

 

I didn't see it like that. I saw Abraham grabbing him as he came in then holding. Say what you want about Ward fighting dirty or smothering, but in this case it wasn't his fault. He wanted to fight on the inside (said as much after) but couldn't.

As said earlier, abraham has no inside fighting ability and his power is on the end of his punches. There's no reason for him to not tie up Ward on the inside. If we've seen one thing out of ward (where guys bitched about him previously) was his solely fighting on the inside...smothering. Saturday's ass kicking was something completely different.

Abraham had all the room to get his shots off he needed...in fact he had the longer reach. He simply bitched up and was beaten in every facet of the game.

Bitch about a point here or there, bitch about defensive tactics...none of that changes the outcome.

Lastly, the comments regarding Ward bending below the guys waist...that's simply retarded. I wonder how long guys have watched boxing. Abraham fights straight up and has zero head movement. Boxing has evolved. It's Abraham's perogative to stand like a statue and fight like John L. Sullivan. It's also why he got his ass lit up Saturday night. Cats are acting like Ward squats down like Pernell Whitaker used to.

"Like I said before"...during the fight...Abraham had opportunities to catch Ward when Andre leaned to his right. The fact he bitched up and wouldn't let his hands go isn't Andre's fault.

In some ways Abraham put up less than an effort than guys accused Mosley of the previous week.

 

You know that this may or may not be true. Ward's chin is still a question mark. Abraham has a big punch. Any change in Abraham or Ward's physical condition (i.e. traveling to Germany vs not traveling to USA) or any change in the dynamics of the fight (making Ward change his tactics) could result in a different result.

I would still make Ward a clear favorite in Germany over Abraham, but the certainty some of you have about rejecting alternate outcomes based upon seeing a version of a matchup is annoying.

 

Are you suggestion putting this fight in Germany means Abraham let's his hands go more?

The way he lost the fight doesn't differ by locale. if anything...if this fight were close in any respect, no matter where it was held Ward would have been on the verge of getting robbed. he clearly won the fight.

I'd say the fight was even after four rounds...then Ward won the remaining rounds. let's say you give Abraham 11 & 12...that's 8 to four in rounds...a convincing win. That's giving Arthur the benefit of the doubt...very kind judging.

"like I said before" he had the kind of fight he needed, he was clearly and decisively beaten. Furthermore, based on the outcome and lack of effort, is there a legitimate reason to give him another shot? if so, mosley deserves another shot at Manny.

 

The MORE You Type on this Matter, the LESS Sense you Make...


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You aren't seeing my point. Different factors mean that a fight, the actual fight, will play out differently. Ward could be the one suffering from jet lag and it makes him a tick slower, or the food might not sit well with him, or he may not train the same as he acclimates to Germany, or a different ref might warn him and make him change his maneuvers leaving him open for a big shot of Abraham's...and on and on. This happens ALL THE TIME in every other combat sport...wrestlers have bad days and get whipped by a guy one week and beat him the next week equally decisively...hell, it happens in the same day sometimes during tournaments.

 

:: Come on, man. You know that I've been saying AA is crap since the beginning. This has been going on for years.

 

I know, he's being really weird.

Acting as if we didn't think Arabham would get dominated in this fight, and are only boasting in hindsight ::

 

:: Seriously

 

So what's the Solution; to Have the Same 2 Fighters Fight Each Other on EVERY CONTINENT, Before we Can Rightfully Determine who's SUPERIOR?...We JUST Saw Ward-Abraham & There's NATHAN to Suggest the Fight Plays Out ANY Differently Whether they're Fighting in Cali or Capetown, South Africa...

These Days, American Fighters TYPICALLY Take their Own Food & Water with them, when Traveling Abroad...& they Arrive Early Enough to ACCLIMATE Themselves to the Time/Climate Difference...


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Even Worse, he's Acting as if Fighting in California Actually AFFECTED the Outcome...When a Guys LOSES 10-2 or 9-3, Location is IRfuckingRELEVANT...


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If Roy would have been good enough in Seoul, the location would have been irrelevant