Ward vs Golovkin

Lee, Quillin, and Jacobs are all scrubs. I'd take Lemieux over all three.

 

So his defenses don't matter because of multiple titles but you don't want him to unify the division against the winner of a match for the lineal middle weight title? Gotcha!

Hopkins would still be a barber shop legend that only "real boxing fans" knew about if he didn't fight Tito and DLH. You talk about legacy but that did a helluva lot more for Hopkins than beating Pavlik or Tarver.

As for people being happy to see GGG fight nobodies, I think most people want to specifically see him fight the Cotto-canelo winner as soon as possible. Then Ward and whatever else would be the next question. You want to skip that step and it's obviously because you dislike GGG and don't want to see him get the shine of becoming undisputed champ by beating the shit out of fighters you like that happen to have lost to Floyd...

Prime Alvarez was better than a prime Castillo so when Floyd lost to Castillo I said Alvarez would also beat him. I think that was true prior to Floyd having the experience of the Castillo fight where he froze up when he couldn't look as dynamic, and basically ran away in the middle rounds and over compensated in the later rounds. Floyd moving up junior lightweight to fight a lightweight he was favored over wasn't a huge risk until Floyd lost to him. But what does a comment I made like 15 years ago have to do with anything? Oh, I get it. I'm hatin on the brotha!

 

Canelo is sure as shit NOT better than prime Castillo, P4P.

Same natural size, prime Castillo beats the Hell outta Canelo.

 

Nah. Castillo never really beat the shit out of anybody except Cezar Bazan. Alvarez would be too sharp and strong in close.

 

In close? Not with his suspect stamina.

Castillo in his prime was more effective than Canelo. Double L has a tendency to overrate him, but doesn't change the fact that he was an excellent fighter.

 

He was good but he just wasn't potent enough as an inside fighter or tough guy to make up for the skill gap. He had subtle skills that set him apart from the average messican of his type and it let him impose his strength on slick boxers like Johnston and Casamayor and hang with an offensive dummy like Corrales. But he'd be outgunned against Canelo and if it goes to the later rounds I don't think he'd be in shape to stop him.

Canelo is limited but he's a strong guy with "hands" and he's built to fuck up a guy like Castillo. That's literally the kind of fighter he's most trained to fuck up.

 

P4P Castillo was bigger than Canelo (if that makes any sense...LOL)

 

castillo was much better than alvarez is now

 

They both seem pretty packed into their weight classes. Castillo was a lot better at imposing his strength and making it a rough physical fight. Castillo trying to rough Canelo up in the inside would be like trying to hug a beehive.

 

Overall, I agree. Castillo seemed like a threat to spoil any boxer and impose a rough fight. But there's nothing to impose on Canelo who's been more than happy beating up "typical Mexicans" his whole life.

 

Beating who, exactly? The ghost of Angulo?

 

castillo was tougher, better conditioned and more skilled than alvarez. i see nothing to suggest alvarez has the power to KO him or the stamina to outwork him in grind of a fight.

 

Canelo is a good, respectable puncher, but his power isn't fight ending/altering the way Corrales' was.

 

He was more skilled in some ways, less skilled in others and a lot less talented. Canelo isn't Trinidad or anything but I don't see Someone like Castillo mauling him without serious consequences.

Not saying Castillo wasn't tough but you saw a big difference in his iron man routine against big fighters with offense like Chico and Hatton compared to Casamayor and Johnston.

 

He was done against Hatton. Had looked like as much in his previous fight.

I would strongly argue that Corrales was offensively more talented than Canelo. And in terms of power, Corrales was a devasting puncher and a Canelo is a "good" puncher. Canelo has a better chin than Corrales though.

 

Hatton ::

 

Hatton, canelo, Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, Cotto.....


It's so cute to hear you guys discuss Floyd's children with such passion.

 

Shoulda brought up Cesar Soto if you mention hatton

 

I agree. I'd take Corrales over Canelo for the same reason I'd take Canelo over Castillo; the skill gap wouldn't make up for the firepower gap and the smaller gun isn't out boxing or breaking down the bigger gun. And there was a skill gap. Corrales was a fundamentally below average fighter outside of his offense, not "limited" like Canelo, but a shitty boxer with an awesome offense.

 

A fundamentally below average fighter and a one dimension fighter are different. Corrales had an awesome offense, and a horrible defense. Which makes him one dimensional, but his fundamentals offensively were well above average. Hell, he's one of the better "short" punchers of all time.

A fundamentally below average fighter is Mayorga.

 

Anything Corrales did well was offense. Anything that wasn't offense he did poorly. It wasn't that he didn't do other things as well as his offense, he just wasn't much good at anything else. Corralles effectiveness was almost entirely based on his frame and short arms letting him generate power from different angles.

If Trinidad or Canelo couldn't punch they could be still be fringe or mid level contenders based on their skills and other attributes. If Corrales didn't have power he'd have been fodder for 12-0 prospects on Friday night fights with a losing record. He'd just be a lanky piece of shit with bad footwork, bad defense and a bad chin. But the real Corrales could punch too!

 

If a magic machine made Corrales and Mayorga "average" punchers and made them the same size would you pick Corrales based on his skills? Of course not, mayorga would run him over and beat his ass because Chico can't box.

 

GGG Breaking B-Hop's Middleweight "Defense" Record WON'T Mean Shit to Hardcore OR Mainstream Boxing Fans....Put it THIS Way, it'll Mean about as Much as Wlad Klit Inevitably Breaking Joe Louis' Record for HEAVYWEIGHT Defenses Will...NOBODY Cares...

& as REED Stated Earlier, Even BHops BREAKING Monzon's Record is TAINTED a Bit Due to the Littany of Sanctioning Bodies @ his Disposal...

Hopkins' Legacy has LITTLE to Do w/that Record Dude...If Bernard Moved Up SANS Breaking the Middlweight Defense Record, it WOULDN'T Affect his All Time Status within that Division...CLEARLY, Being THE Oldest Man to EVER Win a World Title is What Bernard Hangs his Hat On...Sure, he's Regarded as 1 of THE Greatest Middleweights of All Time, but Moving Up and Beating Pavlik, Tarver, Pascal, Shumenov and LASTING 12 Rounds w/Kovalev Unquestionably ENHANCED BHops' Legacy...No 2 Ways About It...

Would REED LIKE to See GGG vs the Cotto/Canelo Winner???...Sure, Why Not???...But it's Practically a FOREGONE Conclusion Who Would Win, so those Matchups have NEVER Been Terribly HIGH on REED's Wish-List...& the FACT Neither of them has Shown Even a MODICUM of Interest in Facing GGG, Makes that Point All BUT Moot Anyways...

As REED Types, GGG is ALREADY Regarded as THE Best Middleweight of his Era...He DOESN'T Need to Beat the Cotto/Canelo Winner to Achieve that Designation, Because it's ALREADY His...REED Wants Dude to Move Up Because he CAN'T Get Meaningful Fights @ 160 and the Path to Actually ENHANCING the Legacy is '68 and Upwards...Has NATHAN to Do w/REED "Disliking" GGG or Any Other GAY, CHILDISH, SILLY Ass, UNFOUNDED Reasoning You OR Brother Xplosive Throw in REED's Direction...

And Please DON'T Go the "Brother" Route w/REED, Homegirl...Are You Gonna Straight UP LIE AGAIN, Claiming to Be 1 Yourself, as You Did Years Ago???...

Fuck Outta Here, Dude...



REED:baa:

 

REED is king of the verbal smackdown I must admit. Smacktalk with him at your peril.

Having said all that...

GGG has to face the Canelo-Cotto winner because he needs to have the lineal title and he needs a superfight so that people know his name. If he moves up he may lose to a Ward and then he's fucked, because his entire claim to fame right now is his unbeaten record. Without it he's nothing.

 

REED ISN'T Even Suggesting GGG Go STRAIGHT to Ward...

Beat a Couple '68 Beltholders 1st...Make a Few Defenses Also...Winning a World Title in a 2nd Weight Class WILL Enhance GGG's Legacy, Especially if he's Disposing of Foes Similarly...





REED:mj:

 

And he will have those SUPERFIGHTS...if he agrees to the terms of Canelo/Cotto n comes down to 154-156....if those fight don't happen immediately then CLEAN OUT 160(Chocolate, Lee, whoever)...moving to 168 lbs for WARD is not worth it.....just like Canelo moving to 160....even if GGG beats WARD then what??? There is no one else PPV worthy.

GGG fans needs to shut the FUCK UP about this DUCKING...AVOIDING....shit...

 

I myself would like Triple G to move up to 168 and win a belt up there.

He's virtually all he could at 160. None of the 155 pounders () will fight him, much less the guys below that weight. Mayweather won't come outta retirement for him, so there's nothing there.

If he's not gonna smack up Peter Quillin, then I say go up to 168, try and see what you can get up there since there's nothing else that is going to enhance his legacy at middle.

Otherwise his career will become stagnant.

 

I never saw that fight. Some say it was on cuts, some say Castillo was stopped on his feet.

 

So he's the best middleweight of the era but he shouldn't unify or become lineal champion because he runs the risks of making lots of money and becoming more famous? Gotcha!

Instead he should jump a division for a fight no one really wants to see, so he can be trapped in another division with no compelling opponents.

Hopkins is still the guy that beat Felix Trinidad. That made him as a fighter because Trinidad was famous and popular. The average fan doesn't remember who Kelly Pavlik is and they barely remember Hopkins and Tarver fought.

GGG vs Cotto/Canelo isn't such a foregone conclusion that it wouldn't be a huge fight. Ward is not. If GGG beat Ward then it's a foregone conclusion and a lost chance at money, history and notoriety. And for what? He's not going to make much more for Ward than some other guy. Wards an Internet legend with no real fans so you're really over hyping the mainstream credit GGG would get for a win.

You should be calling for Cotto and Canelo to fight GGG and anticipating a big match with Ward but the fact that you're irrationally trying to talk two of Floyds kids out of an ass whippin is pretty funny. There's no logical reason to not support this guy unifying his division against the winner of a superfight other than, and you said as much, you think he'd win.

You sound like Wards cousin trying to get him a job. And how's your big white wife?

 

he was out, just like vs corrales