What are Floyd and Shanes keys to success?

Joe Cortez is one of my least liked refs, and one of the worse big fight refs ever. He's incredibly biased too.

I wish Steve Smoger was reffing.

 

Totally disagree. Mosley upsets Mayweather via stunning KO and he and Pacquiao becomes a super duper fight. Might it draw less than Mayweather-Pacquiao? Possibly but G stands to make more cutting out guys like Ellerbe and Haymon.

 

latitude/SHMatitude!

Castillo wasn't beating Hatton in that fight.

He might beat Hatton NOW..but wasn't beating the undefeated Hatton. Hatton was too fast and too strong.

But nevertheless I see your point. Mosley's going to have to win rounds OUTRIGHT..close rounds would likely go to Floyd.

Having said that though...I don't see many close rounds in that fight...

 

Cortez did everything to make sure Castillo had even less chance than he already had. He deducted a point for no reason, and allowed Hatton to fight on the inside. Vs Mayweather, he deducted a point from Hatton for no reason and did not allow Ricky to fight out of clinches, all the while allowing Mayweather to forearm-bar Ricky across the face and throat.

This is what happens when your daughter is a paraplegic. It makes you open to being compromised, which Joe clearly is.

 

If Mosley KO'd Mayweather in impressive fashion, that would be big, no doubt, that alone would generate a shit load of excitement.

But still, it wouldn't be as big a fight as Pacquiao - Mayweather.

Which is weird, I just don't know why Mosley isn't more popular.

 

It wouldn't be as big but the difference is material. Plus, G would probably make as much, if not more. The point I was trying to make was that G is in a no-lose situation here, which is why they won't stack the cards for either fighter.

 

Oh, I see what you mean.

You really think they would make as much though?

I can't see it, even with a bigger %, it would be a bigger percentage of a much smaller pie.

I can't help but think Pacquiao - Mayweather would do almost twice what Pacquiao - Mosley would do, or indeed what Floyd - Mosley is going to do.

 

I find the whole thing pretty shocking to be honest.

If you'd told me before the Mosley fight than Plasterito loaded his gloves, there is no way I would have believed you.

It seems like something from the 1920's or 1930's alongside people regularly taking dives for cash etc. It's just not something I thought existed these days.

When you say there are other tricks, like what? What could there be apart from PEDs or loaded gloves? Or possibly, loaded gloves on a smaller scale, like Trinidad.

 

Nah, I wouldn't say twice. Not if Mosley KO'ed Floyd, no.

 

Perhaps not. Right now yes, if he KO'd Floyd, maybe 1.5 times more.

I mean really, if Mosley KO'd Floyd, Pacquiao - Mosley SHOULD logically be at least as big, and afterall it would be a more fan friendly fight.

But as I alluded to, for some reason, Shane has never been as popular or generated as much excitement as I feel he should, even if he did something as shocking as knock Floyd out cold.

 

It's the whole schmeer. Mosley is seen as damaged goods, an oft-beat, offbeat fighter with a history of cheating. Floyd is Mr Blood Test with ZERO in his loss column and some unsettled business with Pac.

 

Yes, Pacquiao was certainly a bit 'unsettled' by the proposition indeed, nice to see a right-winger telling it like it is for once.

 

Yes... Drink!

MTF ::

 

Agreed, although I share other people's natural repulsion at giving the cheating bastard a single shred of credit.

MTF

 

Even earlier in Mosley's career when he had no losses and nobody knew about Balco he still couldn't draw.

 

Yep. And that's what confuses me. Mosley was one of my favourite fighters back then, he was exciting, and great to watch.

 

How many years did it take Fraudweather to become a draw? Quite a few. And only because ALL the superstars are either retired or shot. Nobody even gave a sh*t about Fraudweather back when Oscar, Tito, Vargas, Roy, Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, etc were all still doing their thing! Since they all fell off, now everybody is on the Fraudweather wagon. And only because of that sh*tty inflated win streak of his which is basically the only reason he even gets the attention and paydays he enjoys.
Mosley on the other hand had to take a lot of losses which killed his hype and that comes with the territory when you fight good fighters like Vernon, Winky, Cotto, etc. All guys whom Fraudweather wanted ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with.
All Fraudweather likes is tiny men coming up to meet him. Furthermore, he barely got through a shot inactive Oscar! :laughing: Not to mention he got whupped by Castillo.
If Fraudweather had those losses reflected on his record, his bitch ass wouldn't be enjoying anywhere near the money and ppvs he is right now.
That's why he's so f*cking scared of fighting top fighters. Because he knows once that "0" is gone, his stock plummets greatly!
And nobody will ever give a f*ck about his boring ass again!
Sugar Shane will smash this cunt f*ck into the grave!

 

Give it a fucking rest Hanz.........

You should change your name to "Hanz Solo". You are always on your own.

 

Why should I give it a rest? Tell me which part of my post is BS and I'll stop. The fact is, nobody here can refute anything because everybody knows it's f*cking true!
Fraudweather's popularity grew as more top stars faded away or retired including Oscar, Trinidad, Roy Jones, Tyson, Lewis, etc. There was zero attention paid to Fraudweather during the time when all these guys were doing big business. Fraudweather was still fighting in little arenas on free HBO, basically invisible to the world. That's a f*cking fact!!!
Furthermore, his streak is what's maintaining interest. Once that streak is over, Fraudweather's stock plummets! He should already have a loss to Castillo.
There's no replay value with any of his crappy fights! Trinidad, Vargas, Mosley, etc gave us wars! They all fought some great fighters. Fraudweather carefully picks who he fights in order to preserve his joke of a record AND to take the least amount of risk.
You got guys disrespecting Trinidad for his lack of ring intelligence. Take a look at the guys he fought. He fought Hopkins, Jones, and Wright.
Now look at who the f*ck Fraudweather is fighting! F*cking tiny guys who are coming up in weight, far outside their best weight class.
And you call this motherf*cker a top P4P fighter? What f*cking wars has he been in? What great legendary fights? This shoulder rolling back foot bitch has no balls!
He dressed up like Hearns on Ring Magazine acting all mean and dangerous! The piece of sh*t even openly disrespect the greats. Once Suger Shane is done with him, the charade will be over!!!
There will be no legacy for Fraudweather. He'll be broke and begging for change on the streets in 10 years like his old man said.
Go Mosley!!! Kill and expose this f*cking joke!!!! :crafty:

 

Hanzy - do you hope Shane makes Floyd's face look like this...





By hitting him with lots of punches like this...



And this...



And this...



And then this...

 

Nah mex, I'd rather see Fraud looking like this!



...once Shane is done with him.

 

No piz Hanzy, bloody tripod. Upload the pic on imageshack or something.

 

:::::::bears::cheer:

 

Listen Punk, I run this here town you see, and I recommend imageshack.

 

flickr :cheer:

 

somebody embed this shit......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SfRp8xWeX8

 

Embed is to the right of the video below 'url'.

Couldnt bear that horrific music long enough to watch that.....

 

The Forrest lose is what I think cost Shane the popularity. If you remember right during that fight Shane was at the apex of his career. There were a lot of high profile celebrities and everything at that fight. Unfortunately Shane lost and also lost all the momentum he'd gained by placing himself right on the precipise of possible superstardom. I think had he won that fight, and kept a nice short win streak of about 2 or 3 more exciting KO victories that he was acustomed to doing back then, he would have become the draw he always deserved to be, dispite any loses he would have got later on.

 

Possibly.

He was always going to lose that Forrest fight though. Forrest was a competant boxer and not a scrub like Wise, Diaz, Taylor or Stone.

He would have lost to Oscar also..if Oscar hadn't underestimated him and just walked forward mindlessly slugging looking for the KO...

But I agree..Shane was and is an exciting fighter and as such should have been a bigger draw. Maybe he's too likable. Fans tend to be drawn by a villain.