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I have seen it many times.. yet these Oyma cock riders have no proof.. he killed bulls with one blow:jester: :jester: :jester:

 

How did I not offer any proof? I posted word for word what the people that KNEW him said he was capable of doing. What would Joe Lewis or any of the others have to gain by saying Bruce was the best Martial Artist of all time? What do they gain by saying Bruce could do all these amazing things? What do they gain for saying Bruce was really that strong and that quick?
Thats right NOTHING they gain fuck all by saying these things!
What is their motive for lying about the things Bruce was capable of doing?

Until you can come up with a reason why all these great Martial Artist would lie when it does not benifit them to do so I'll keep believeing what they say about him because after all they fucking knew him you didn't.

What other proof do you need?

By the way I offered a hell of alot more proof about Bruce then the other two fuck nutz offered about Oyama!

 

For real Pit..

these clowns really think that Oyama KILLED bulls with single blows:jester:

 

:jester: I know they are fucking crazy! I wonder if they ever seen the running of the bulls? I'm guessing no:jester:

 

Well no, you didn't actually. Hearsay is hearsay. Arguing "why would they say that/what would they have to gain" does not translate into proof.

Btw, do i believe that the other guy Oyama or whatever could "kill bulls with his bare hands"? Hell no, but that's not the point is it?

 

whiskey, click on this link right here. It's just a youtube clip, only 11 seconds long, but it's Bruce's demonstration of a front kick to the lower thigh, in real time, at a karate demo in Long Beach in 62.
You think Bruce is just an actor who used special effects in movies to look good? This is no special effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n8pKtULlvw&mode=related&search=

 

I never said anything about Bruce Lee not being a good martial artist.

Regardless, lots of guys can look impressive in demonstrations, hitting a heavy bag, breaking bricks or whatever.

It doesn't mean that they are great fighters. Again i'm not saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight. However putting him on a pedestal as if he's the greatest fighter of all time is ridiculous.

 

Exactly. Now if Bruce had crushed a watermelon, then I'd believe in him..

 

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I just looked up "The power punching specialist" again. Here's an excerpt from his current web site.


"I have been throwing fist all my life. I have studied some of the best fighters in the world and learned a little from all of them, I have always been a Big Big Bruce Lee fan, He weighed 128 pounds and punched as hard as most heavyweights, because he knew exactly how to throw it... He was a natural... I have a natural boxing ability and can teach any fighter serious punching power. I know my stuff when it comes to leverage and powerpunching. Take a look at the watermelon punch video clip, the punch is alot like Rocky Marciano's Susie-Q punch, it is a devastating right hand, a man's chin can't take much of that, I only did the watermelon thing just to show the impact of the punch, crank up the volume and liston to the punch, the sound say's it all, its not perfect, it took me a few minutes just to sit it on the pipe, I knew I couldn't touch it or it would fall on the ground, and I touched it and it almost fell and I had to nail it right that second or it would have fell, so I nailed it, some of the pieces went 20 feet, you just can't hit a man on the chin with a shot like that, to show your punching power, get real, some people say I beat up a fruit, they miss the whole point of the punch, and a lot of keyboard warriors talk a lot of crap, but they don't show up, some people laugh and think is funny, laugh it up, laugh till you pee in your pants, I DON'T CARE"


:rollllling:

 

Hahahah there's more:

I have wrote some fighters in the past before, and got no replies. They just don't know what this Southern Country Boy from Virginia is made of, boxing has not changed much in 100 years, a lot of trainers teach this same old basic style, with no disrespect to nobody, I want to take boxing beyond basic. I know in my heart I have what is takes to become successful, nobody would give my idol Bruce Lee a chance for a long time, just look at what he acomplished, once he got the opportunity. He was a world known Superstar...


Just read it all for yourself: :jester:

http://www.angelfire.com/dragon2/powerpuncher/

 

A demo proves what ? exactly ?.Parlor tricks and being a strong guy for your size does not a god of fighting make.

Oyama is a proven fighter who actually beat fighters from other disciplines in recorded fights . Not hearsay or fights on rooftops with no witnesses.

Oyama fighting Style still produces top fighters till this day Andy Hug Bas Rutten Feitosa ect.

NAME ONE CHAMPION THAT BRUCE LEE'S JEET KUN DO PRODUCED.

Again Oyama is a MUCH MORE proven fighter then Lee.

 

Bruce died at age 32. He was only in the beginning stages of his art. If he had lived, his concepts would've grown and caught on.

 

:jester: :jester:

"a lot of keyboard warriors talk a lot of crap"

holy shit, I think we might know the secret personality of the power-punching specialist

 

He died from 'roiding way too much.

 

new job indeed......sales rep for a liquor distributor

 

Personally... I think that power punching specialist guys site is the best page on the internet:jester:

 

I recall reading an interview of Joe Lewis (who was a professional fighter) in Black Belt Mag over 16 years ago. Joe Lewis trained under Lee and talked on how the results paid off in his fights. (he was champion)

On another subject Lee's "greatness" is really a matter of opinion as Lewis himself stated he did not believe Lee's chin was durable because he had a "skinny neck and skinny jaw" and based on this reasoning his opinion was that Lee would do poorly in competition.

From what I've read over the years, all the sources, varying here and there with their information all commonly pointed to a few things. One...Lee was a streetfighter in Hong Kong which drove him to come to the US. And two...he took a challenge without hesitation if one was inclined to do so.

Lastly, John Saxon (Bolo conquerer "Roper" in "Enter the Dragon") told of one of the fighters on the set of "Enter the Dragon" challenging Lee to a fight in Cantonese to which Lee quickly responded "oh you want to try me?" Long story short (and Saxon wrinkles his face as if in pain while telling this) John Saxon "....Bruce kicked the shit out of him, helped him back up..."

 

Boxing + Wrestling is not MMA

 

In theory, it is. I will consider MMA to be ANY competition where there is more than one martial art involved.

 

MMA as we know it is not Boxing and wrestling. If you really want to break it down yes that would be considered MMA I guess. As far as what we watch and as far as training goes that is not MMA.

 

MMA today isn't what MMA was 6 months ago. Its an evolving sport. Thats kind of the point.

 

same here....most people look at MMA as a sport we watch on TV, but thats just a form of MMA IMO. I think Abu Dabi is MMA, I think catch as catch can is MMA, I think pancrase is MMA.....its just that UFC, Pride and such have a more complete form of MMA

 

And thus Boxing+Wrestling is not MMA. Thats the only point I was trying to make here. And MMA as we know it was pretty much the same 6 months ago as it is now. It is an evolving sport but it hasn't really evolved over the last 6 months.

New things are thought up everyday but are seldom put to use in competitive MMA. The offensive use for a turtle guard have been around for a while but has not really made it's way into Competitive MMA (it has in bjj). When they do and when people start catching on and actually using it then it starts to evolve. Just because time passes dosn't mean things evolve.

My only real point was to that person who said Boxing+Wrestling was MMA but just wasn't called MMA. Boxing+Wrestling is Boxing+Wrestling not MMA.
Sorry I got a bit sidetracked.

 

Boxing + wrestling IS MMA, just an incomplete form of it....Why do you think fighters want to be as well-rounded as possible? Football was stilll football before the foward pass, just not the same form of football we know today. Basketball was still basketball before the 3 point line or the dunk, wasnt it?

and the sport hasnt evolved over the last 6 months??? How many fighters you think went to working on their thai clinch after watching silva kill franklin??? thats the makings of an evolving sport. you react to what your oponents do, and you find ways to compat that.

 

Right...it's an incomplete form of MMA just like Sombo,Bjj, Catch wrestling ect ect. Thats not MMA. There are people all the time that step into a cage or ring with only knowing wrestling or boxing or bjj. They are not MMA fighters they are (insert martial art) fighting in a MMA world, dosn't mean they can't do well at it, there are alot of people that do very well with a limited amount of knowledge outside of their mastered technique. Rugby is alot like american Football but it's not Football. Wrestling+Boxing is core components and are two different combative arts but that dosn't make it mixed martial arts. If there was something on tv that was strict Boxing with take downs and standard Wrestling moves that would not be called MMA. In fact they did it in K1 for a while, it was a K1 bout not mixed martial arts.

Your right about fighters working on the Clinches now. I forgot Franklin almost got murdered at the last ufc ppv.

 

well, i gues all it comes down to is that we have two different definitions for "MMA".....i think of it more literally, and you think of it more in terms the most popular "type of MMA", which is what we see in UFC, Pride and such....

Question, because Pride does not allow elbows on the ground, is it not real MMA? What about UFC, you cant kick or stomp or even knee to the head on the ground. That cant be real MMA, can it????

 

was pancrase MMA??? If not, should Bas and Ken and Frank all have their records adjusted?

MMA is tagged with UFC and Pride because its more marketable and sponsor friendly than NHB or Vale Tudo.

 

When I was saying "Mma as we know it" I ment more as in the Sport and what we see in PRIDE, UFC and Shooto. Vale Tudo is MMA but straight up NHB fighting is not MMA at all. It's eye gouging and nut shots. I hate seeing real NHB fighting, no disrecpect to the people that do it but as far as watching value I could care less. Bjj matches are a combo of Bjj, Judo and Sambo but that dosn't make it MMA. Do you kinda' see what I'm saying, I have a feeling I'm explaining this really bad.

Also it does bug me to no end that UFC dosn't alow 4 point striking to a downed opponent. PRIDE not allowing elbows dosn't bother me.

Wrestling plus Boxing just isn't what I would consider Mixed Martial arts.

 

Is it true that some of pancrase are fixed? i think i read that one of kens loss was him taking a dive.

 

ehh 6 months ago? i think thats too short of a period of time my friend