WHAT have we LEARNED???...(The Taylor-Pavlik AFTERMATH Thread)...

He got hurt by Zertuche and Zuniga, it´s not the first time. :dunno:

Both guys can punch, both can take a punch, Abraham has the better defense, Pavlik has the better stamina. I´d love to see it. It´s clearly the fight at middleweight NOW.

 

Abe's power is not comparable to pavlik's. Pavlik would KO abraham in 6.

When pavlik isn't being a goon and pulling faces his defense is no worse than abraham's who is not exactly a defensive wizard himself.

Did you not see him picking off and slipping a significant amount of taylor's punches? And taylor has faster hands than abraham.

Abraham is simply too small and too crap to stand a chance against pavlik.

The only fighter I might pick to beat Pavlik at 160 is bernard, but he has moved up now.

 

Blah blah, your hate is getting old.

 

Yeah, and what really impressed my about Pavlik last night was how his long jab was able to neutralize Taylor's hand speed advantage. When he works that jab and takes advantage of his reach it significantly improves his defense.

Abraham is definitely a tough guy, but I think Kelly's physical advantages and very odd, naturally punching power would be too much.

 

You think, to listen to it, that Abraham was an anaemic cripple.

The guy is a strong bastard with a good punch and a good chin, and, in case you forgot, he took Mirandas "O" when Pavlik was fighting, Zertuche, was it??

And, if Abe gets Pavlik hurt....he's reeling him in.

 

I never backed off observations that Taylor is the most jittery fighter I've seen at such a high level of the sport, and last night showed that IN SPADES. You can't have every muscle in your body literally SHAKING at baseline rest and not be tired by the middle of a fight. Taylor could've boxed from the outside, he could've thrown less wild punches after he knocked down Pavlik, and he could've learned how to block a friggin punch...but it wouldn't have mattered as his body continued to expel that nervous energy. And Pavlik's power reminds me of George Foreman, in the sense that he doesn't look like he's putting lots into his punches, but the visible damage they're doing is unmistakable. The man defines "heavy-handed" in boxing right now.

Excellent fight all around :bears:

 

Absolutlely, for someone who is meant to be sloppy and unskilled perhaps, Pavlik sure did a good job with the jab, long and accurate, snapping taylor's head back, and essentially outjabbing the faster fighter.

 

further emphasis on this...

all three judges gave Taylor the first round! :dunno:

Fittingly enough, Julie Lederman was the one judge who had Taylor winning by 5 points, giving him every round but the 3rd.

 

That clinches it: Taylor's nerves impress judges!

I was leery of outright saying this before, but not anymore. It's the way he does things. When he throws hooks, jabs, or combos, the man dosn't look like he's throwing punches...he looks like he's trying to slay a forty-foot long dragon with a sword in his hand and if he can't do it it's the end of the world. The sheer DRAMA of the way he fights is enough to carry a round. While ther is a hint of sarcasm in my response, this really does bear out. The close rounds that Taylor wins in any fights always comes down to him "doing a bit more." When for the most part he doesn't throw many more punches, and usually doesn't come close to landing more.

 

I like what you said last night...

"They must have had the names on the scorecards switched."

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Maybe she thinks Jermain is sexy or something.

 

Rewatching this fight.....

Taylor needs to keep his hands up..high...for most of the fight the left was down to his waist...and teh right was a few inches under the chin...THE PAVLIK jab couldn't miss...and Taylor was off balance anytime he threw the left hook..cause he was throwing it from his waist..

 

Great take on the subject.:bears:

 

Very, very good post. I feel the same way about JT and his jitters.

Pavlik, in comparison, was smiling before the fight.

 

I learned Steward sucks

"Hes getting tired"

 

It'll never happen. Wanting to see Taylor keep his left hand up is like wanting to see Judah keep his focus for a full fight. Both are pipe dreams. Jermain will never change. He is what he is. He's the same fighter now that he was early in his career, in fact he's probably DECLINED since then. This loss spells the begining of the end for Jermain IMO. His confidence will never be the same again, and his flaws are too many. He can always feast on bums, but I dont think he'll ever be, or beat a top fighter again.

 

We learned Taylor never improved his skills like we expected him to. He still looks as amateurish as he did when he was a prospect. That amateurness is one of the reasons I never cared for him. His fidgetyness wastes energy, his footwork has always been atrocious, he keeps his hands at waste level, his defense is nonexistent, and his power is below average. All he's ever done well is jab.

All this is a direct testiment of what a horrible job Steward did with him. Did you notice any change in JT once Steward took over? I didn't, and I was appalled that Steward hadn't even fixed JT's habit of keeping his hands at waist level.

I also question how tough Jermain is because he seemed up and back to his senses very quickly after the fight was over. He lost the eye of the tiger a long time ago.

PAVLIK WAS HUNGRY! HE WAS STARVING! JERMAIN YOU AIN'T BEEN HUNGRY SINCE HOPKINS 1!!

 

Agreed. Emmanuel always likes having orthodox fighters who work behind the jab. In Taylor he already had someone who established a great jab but needed additional improvements and wrinkles in his game.

I also fail to see what changes Steward brought by being Jermain's trainer.

I don't remember who trained Taylor before, but if we could turn back time and remove Emanuel from his corner i don't think his fights would have looked much different. (if at all)

 

That was a good thread starting post, Reed.

 

I agree Taylor has looked worst after hooking up with Steward.

Taylor was never going to be a great fighter but he looked better before. I think his best fights were the two Hopkins fights.

 

This is my take about JT. And I agree with everything in this post. But you win like a champion, you gotta lose like a champion. Meaning after getting KO'd JT's bitch ass should have given an interview. Instead he ran his ass out of the ring with his tail tucked between his legs. Hell even Roy Jones Jr who possibly had the largest ego gave an immediate interview after being KO'd by Tarver. That to me is what being a champion is all about.

I told Reed this over the phone. Taylor doesn't deserve any type of credit for his toughness. Hell his toughness was never in question. We all knew or knows that he will fight back. The most disappointing thing about Taylor is that he hasn't improved 1 bit. The dude is so fuking basic it's a damn shame. And I agree Taylor should not take a rematch. What else can he do. He can not make any adjustments. I'm fuking pissed that I didn't call a KO. I'll Holla 5000

 

No he didn't. He had to wake up first.

How could you? You never pick the white guy.:nono: :nono:

 

I'm sure he was.

 

Don't ever mention Miranda if you're trying to compare Abraham favorably to Pavlik.

 

STFU....he beat Miranda when your boy Pavlik was fighting Zertuche. End of fucking story. Dont mention Norton if you want to compare Ali favourably to Foreman:laughing: :laughing:

What a fucking dumbass you are.:flip:

 

Tito Trinidad would have hammered Taylor
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WEED

 

Taylor isn't that accurate, honestly.

And he let his hands go plenty...more than in his last 4-5 fights.

He needs to pace himself...stamina is an issue.

Peace.

 

Taylor won 3 on my card (with the 5th being VERY close and a swing round).

What I highlighted above was one of the big reasons I picked Kelly....Taylor was going to consistently under-estimate distance and the difference in reach.

Peace.

 

He was up...not sure how back to his senses he was.

I think we're all underestimating just how much Taylor may have been hurt throughout the fight.

He does a good job not showing it and staying in stance...but he was taking alot of cumulative punishment. His legs don't show it but you can see Taylor "freeze" for a second or three and you can see it in his face.

Check out his eyes post-fight in the conference....both of them were swollen and threatening to close.

I think once he finally sunk to the canvas...it all went out of him.

Peace.

 

Ive said for years, and many disagreed with me.