When Corrales faced PBF he was....

Undefeated!

 

All fighters are undefeated at some point. The longer they remain undefeated, the less competition they're facing.

 

Jose Luis Castillo makes his living as a sparring partner. :laughing:

 

:laughing: PBF lost to him....

 

:laughing: in your mind...

 

In many minds.

 

So what exactly are the facts here? That Chico had problems before facing Floyd? Big deal. Lot's of fighters have trouble with weight or even personal problems, but Chico is a professional and never made excuses for his performance so you shouldn't do it for him.

Maybe if it wasn't a fact that Chico had trouble with almost any level of boxer that displayed a little movement, you'd have an argument. But when lesser fighters than Floyd like Garcia, Freitas, and Cassamayor gave the guy fits why should we think that it matters if Chico wasn't 100% that night?

 

Well then why does PBF get so much credit for beating him the way he did, when like you say, Garcia, Freitas and Casa gave him fits?

 

Castillo beat Floyd in the eyes of people who don't know how a boxing match is scored.

 

Because Garcia, Freitas and Casamayor were all very good fighters that Corrales actually beat.

I've grown to hate Floyd lately, but he was on a different level then those guys.

Floyd turned me on his side after the Corrales fight................though, ever since his faux move up to Welterweight he has pissed me the f*ck off.

 

what he said.

 

Remember Petre's dinner party that saw 27 of 28 people scoring De La Hoya vs. Mayweather for Oscar?

Petre has some sort of Hi-Def 240 inch magical television set that plugs into peoples brains and shows them fights as they wish it would happen. ::

 

I've called him that about 3 years ago. Sorry Nobleart, too late.:mj:

 

I think it's most people judging the fight without having actually scored it. Like me for instance, I thought it looked like Floyd lost but without having actually scored the fight I don't argue it as a loss for him and just consider it what it was. A close tough win for him and maybe just an off night. It happens and he proved himself in the rematch.

 

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CleanYourClock thought Oscar beat Floyd too.

 

Like Noble said because those guys didn't even beat Chico and Floyd absolutely pummeled him. Since they first matched up that night Floyd has shown he's a great fighter over the years and prior to Chico's death he looked like a very limited 1 dimensional brawler. Where is there any evidence to think that Chico would have done any better against Floyd had he fought him at a higher weight and no prison sentence hanging over his head?

The most I can give Chico is he maybe wouldn't get dropped as often had he been at a higher weight, because his KD's looked more like weak legs and he never appeared hurt by the punches. I even remember before he fought Freitas when nearly everyone was predicting a lot of knockdowns on both sides I predicted Corrales would not go down once because Freitas power was overrated and Corrales would be stronger on his feet at 135.

 

I don't quite understand. PBF's best win came against Corrales. But nobody has anything good to say about Corrales the fighter. As I see it, there's only a couple possible scenarios here:

1. Corrales was a good fighter; he was at his best against PBF; PBF beat him;
2. Corrales was no good; it doesn't matter if he was at his best or not; PBF beat him;
3. Corrales was a good fighter; he was not at his best; PBF beat him;

Only one of the three scenarios supports the claim that PBF's win over Corrales was so impressive. And so far, I don't not a single person seems to think that's the scenario at hand. So which is it?

 

PBF is no good. He's the most protected fighter in history. Corrales and Castillo were bums...De La Hoya had parkinsons, Judah was absolutely useless, Hatton was a Eurobum.

Floyd is very lucky to be where he is today.

 

All I can go by is what was told to me: supposedly members of Corrales' crew were inviting women up to his room. Maybe it was BS, maybe it wasn't.:dunno:

 

#3, for mine. Corrales was a genuinely good (but not great) fighter in his pomp, who was at less than 100% (I went for a little under 80% in the Poll) when Mayweather trounced him.

 

BINGO!

which is exactly why I said 100%

the cocksucker made 130 AFTER A YEAR IN PRISON!!!

no way can anyone use that as an excuse

 

Mayweather kicked the shit out of him and would do the same thing if they fought 100 times

 

I distinctly remember that. He came out of prison and went right back to fighting at 130 which I found surprising after all the hoopla about his troubles making that weight.

Then again I guess prison food ain't all it's cracked up to be.

 

The fight is a lot like Meldrick Taylor-Buddy McGirt, thinking about it. Both fights featured up-&-coming fighters known for flash & speed (especially of hand), who trounced their opponents in prodigious displays. Each victim was said to be suffering under the impact of weight-drain, but the matches were so one-sided, many people countered the losers could never have won.

 

:bears:

 

...in over his head against a better fighter.

 

I feel exactly the same way.

Corrales not only looked a bit drained and weak (he said his previous fight was his last at 130, right after that, surprise surprise, Floyd calls him out at 130) - but no doubt his impending prison sentence must have left him a little preoccupied to say the least, not as focused as he should have been.

Would it have made a scrap of difference? Not really.

It was one of those fights where it was just obvious Floyd would have beaten any version of Corrales. A year earlier Chico would have landed a few more punches, but the result would have been more or less the same.

 

Corrales, who always struck me as a fighter with a distinct lack of focus & ring intelligence, pulled one of the dumbest stunts I've seen in years in that fight, repeatedly taking his eyes off Mayweather to observe himself on the Jumbo Screen.

That was a typical hallmark of Corrales' career. He just was far, far too prone to having his head screwed on every which way but straight.

Like I said, he was a good fighter. He was never going to rank as a great one.

 

Yeah, Chico was one of my all-time favorites but Floyd really exploited his weaknesses like nobody else. Casamayor came close, but Floyd was a cleaner puncher and just a little bit quicker then him.

 

Around 2001, I really think Casamayor could've gone very close to beating Mayweather. Maybe enough to pull it out. Probably an unpopular viewpoint, though.