When did you STOP liking a fighter?

My favorite fighter was Duk Koo Kim.

I stopped rootiing for him after the Mancini fight though. :crying:

 

yeh it's well known that Hatton and his fans are racist...slystaff explained this once

 

Fairweather fan. :nono:

 

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if Margarito really did indeed cheat, it will be hard to root for him in the future.

 

True, but think of it this way. You'll be edgy.artie:

 

:nono:

i don't like that, whiskey.

 

The Point is, Calzaghe was ALOT CLOSER to his Prime than Roy or Bernard were..."Five Years" REED's Ass...The Lacy Fight WASN'T Even that Looooooooong Ago...

By the Time he Fought Roy & Bernard, Calzaghe had Slipped A LITTLE...Conversely, Roy "Slipped" Right Off of a CLIFF & Bernard BARELY Resembled the Guy that Tactfully DESTROYED Tito Trinidad...



REED:mj:

 

During Mayweather-Hatton 24/7, there was Some Brothers in Attendance @ Hatton's Public Workout...



REED:mj:

 

And still Hopkins achieved a bigger victory than the Tito win after getting beat by Calz

 

He did???...


REED:dunno:

 

A fighter with 30 fights can be well past his prime while one with 50 fights can be in the middle of his prime. Likewise, a fighter can be 36 years old and in his prime or he can be 25 years old and in his prime. It all depends on the opponents the fighter has fought, the amount of punishment he's taken, how well he takes care of himself between fights, how often he fights, how many amateur fights he had and a host of other factors.

So to suggest that Calzaghe was anywhere close to being as removed from his prime as Hopkins and RJJ were based on the number of fights he had is ridiculous.

Before facing those guys, Calzaghe had just logged the best win of his career against a young and capable lion in Mikkel Kessler.

 

:bears::bears::bears:

 

score one for ol' double L :bears:

 

You know what's funny about that.

if you were on here before those fights so many fucking people were running their mouths about what Hopkins was going to do to Calzaghe. How he'd be way too crafty for him. Calzaghe was out of his league. Calzaghe was coming up in weight. All that. Then as soon as the fight's over, it all of the sudden became a foregone conclusion because Callzaghe was a prime young man fighting a guy in a wheelchair. Bullshit. :shit:

Same thing but to not as widespread here with the Calzaghe-Jones fight. Peoeple talking about what RJJ is going to do, how he'll pull out all the stops, won't let Joe corner him, etc. After the fight, Calzaghe is picking on senior citizens again. :shit:

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You may have thought Chavez was a good fighter but of all the shit you've talked about him over the years, I have a hard time picturing you as ever being a JCC fan.

BTW, this goes along with my point here that though Chavez is heavily criticized and marked down as an all time great because of what happened to him after 88 fights and on. Yet, Duran (who quit in the middle of a fight a lot more shamefully than Chavez did) is completely forgiven for his later career.

 

I've been a Hatton fan for a long time and predicted him to beat Tszyu when people here were laughing and saying he might die in the ring. I don't think that Hatton has ever cheated anyone out of beating him. The thing about Cortez in the Mayweather fight is that he didn't allow Hatton to hold and get inside (which is fine) but he didn't do shit about Floyd's blatant use of elbows. I still don't think Hatton would have won if they would have stopped it but it was a poor job of refereeing nonetheless. If I had been your barber, you would have left with two cut ears that day. :warning:

Just kidding.

 

Yep if he would of played his cards right he could of been the modern day Ray Leonard.Mayweather is a prime example of when keeping it real goes WRONG!!!

 

You mean like how less than a third of the people here picked B-Hop, and it was usually "Hopkins by close ugly decision"??

http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25086&page=12

 

Ah but remember, the 'mystery behind the master' revealed right here, in what seems to be a forum exclusive..

"Hopkins DESTROYS southpaws". - Hopkins rope-bounce headbutt/straight right is indeed a potent tool against lefties. Has there ever been such an effective butter?.. truth be known, he makes Holyfield look like an amatuer.

"Hopkins REDUCES his opponents workrate and makes you fight his fight". - Indeed he does,.. reason being is he spends 3 minutes of every round backing up, and when you think you get a chance to stone him in the corner with something, he twists his back and ducks, and either launches up his head, or a hail mary right, and both turn into a clinch upon completion.

 

It was not a "forum exclusive". Boxing writers and media people elsewhere always talk about Hopkins's effectiveness against lefties and controlling the pace. Hardly anyone on this forum picked Hopkins to "destroy" or dominate Calzaghe (no, LOK and his dung fetish does not count). It was damn near always "Hopkins by ugly decision".

You just wanted another excuse to go on your anti-Hopkins rant while you praise a juicing cheater like Shane Mosley.

 

But on the subject of Hopkins, his repeated boring performances have made me less of a fan.

I understand that he may have to fight like that at this age, but still, boring is boring.

I was starting to like Margarito, but after the shit he and Capetillo pulled, fuck them both. Margarito's one of my most hated fighters ever now, and I don't dislike too many fighters out there.

 

That's partly true,.. but I dont praise Mosely for the juice, I praise his style and willingness to go to war, and his willingness to face even the largest and most awkward of opponents. Im not overlooking this juice contraversy, he should be punished for this. You though, are 'a fan' of a few styles that are fundamentally illegal,.. whereas Im not a fan of juicing,..you are a fan of illegal impliments, your perfectly happy with 'letting it all slide'.

:nono: One more thing I must ask,.. I believe you despise Holyfield for the use of his head,...but have you properly examined the way Hopkins uses his?.. not just blatantly while in a clinch where the friendly ref smiles and softly pats Bernards forehead and says, ha ha ha come on now son,.. ... when he's in that familiar corner where you cant come at him from any angles,.. he LAUNCHES that head up like a rocket, woosh! ^..bump!-clinch,.. ... how can you be mad at Holyfield?.. wtf?

 

Hopkins has always been a filthy bastard, and more of a 'strict' counter-puncher ever since that utter scrub Segundo Mercado(sp?) came damn close to knocking him out. It's also a given to feel a little more liberated when your physically man-handling opponents half your size, mismandatory after mismandatory.

 

I don't like Holyfield (despise is reserved for shitbags like Luis Resto) for a few reasons. His plethora of excuses/ailments after a poor performance. His insistence on preaching religion while he has 232 illegitimate children (I even believe he said using birth control is un-Christian like:atu:). The steroid use, as I believe his health problems (which people often use to excuse his losses) were a cause of it (the NSAC said his problems were consistent with HGH use). I didn't even care that much about the headbutts, as he often did it to dirty fighters anyway, but I thought Rahman (not Tyson) would have been somewhat justified if he had bitten Holyfield back. When I saw the replay after the 7th that showed Holyfield with an "intentional accidental headbutt" on Rahman, me and my friends actually just laughed and said "there goes fucking Holyfield again".

I rarely get mad at guys fighting dirty. There are rare occasions when I'm disappointed that the guy didn't get DQ'd (Gainer-Norwood, Pedroza-LaPorte), but it generally doesn't bother me.

Loaded gloves is another story.

 

He was more fun to watch, though, in general. Johnson, Trinidad, Echols, Lipsey, James, Joppy, Mercado, Richie (pre-title). He let his hands go more.

Since the 3rd Allen fight in 2004, he's been dull in the great majority of the fights.

 

Hopkins felons that are caught on film,.. are creditted to him as part of his "vicious, ruthless, brutal, cunning, ring legend" reputation that is celebrated across America,.. why shouldn't Mosely's steroid use be interperated as the same?.. "Cunning,.. his juiced up body hit his opponent while the commision was on the blind side" ...

You can put down Hopkins as a glove loader aswell Erratic by his own admission to 'giving things away' while helping to contribute to an article on Trinidad's handwraps.

 

No. Using dirty tactics in the ring, is not the same as going to a place that's ahead of the testing curve in their PEDs and taking steroids and EPO.

If you actually think it's the same, then I don't know what to say to you.

I haven't read that article, I'll look for it.

 

Well, let's take Hopkins/Winky for example,.. due to Hopkins dirty tactics, he rendered Winky blind in one eye for 10 rounds with an 'awesome headbutt'.

Does fighting blind, pale in comparison to fighting someone on a performance enhancer?.