White: Silva vs. Sonnen II would likely take place in Brazilian soccer stadium

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  1. Anthony

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    But dont you agree the fight quality is different than PBF/Pac?
     
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    Well, yeah, one is boxing. :lol:

    In all seriousness though, I personally don't expect PBF/PAC to be terribly competitive. Tough to say.
     
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    And that's what pisses me off the most. The one match, in any sport, on any universe, that I want to see the most is Manny-Floyd.

    It's not even close in mind. GSP-Silva is great but Manny-Floyd would go beyond just sports or boxing. It would be a monumental world event in my opinion.

    That's why I said there is no Manny-Floyd in MMA.
     
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    I would agree. I'm still waiting to book a vacation this Spring. If Floyd is fighting Manny, I'm there.
     
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    ive been waiting for silva-gsp. the ufc boss wants the fight. fighters wanna see it. silva talked about cutting to 170. gsp talked about going up to 185.
     
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    Yep and then Nick Diaz came over with a ton of momentum and a solid fan base. And then GSP blew out his knee.

    So, yeah, if I am talking about fights I want to see scheduled for the next 6 months to a 1 year, GSP-Silva isn't on the list. However, Manny-Floyd is still at the top of the list as it has been for a couple of years.

    It's that simple.
     
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    I was out in Vegas for Cinco De Mayo when Floyd fought Oscar. I didn't go to the fight. I actually watched in a packed Convention Center at Mandalay Bay on closed circuit.. The atmosphere in Las Vegas was well worth the trip.

    We ran into a ton of fighters, which was really the highlight. Antonio Tarver chatted with us like we were high school buddies. Very cool dude in person.
     
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    The QUALITY of a GSP-Silva Fight would B BETTER if GSP Faced the Condit-Diaz Winner 1st...REED "Gets" That...But LIKE Manny vs. Floyd, GSP-Silva COULD have Happened Anytime in the Last 1-2 YEARS & Been MMA's Biggest Fight...

    People have Been Talking about GSP vs. Silva Since Around the Time GSP Beat Hardy or Alves...Only RECENTLY have Diaz & Condit Inserted Themselves Into the Mix...

    REED:hammert:
     
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    So We're PRETENDING that Manny's a Full Fledged WELTER Now???...3 Fights Ago, he Won a Jr. MIDDLEWEIGHT Title...3 Fights Prior to that, he KO'ed the Jr. Welter Champion...

    Manny Could just as Easily Use "Weight" as an Excuse, if it's a Viable 1 for GSP...

    REED:hammert:
     
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    He won a junior middleweight title fighting at 150 pounds. 3 pounds north of 147. Prior to that he fought Clottey at 147 and Cotto at 145. Prior to that he fought at 140. That is a huge difference. That being said, going from 140 to 147 is still not a huge as going 15 pounds up in weight. Going from 135 to 147 is still not as big as 15 pounds in weight. You would have to go from 130 to 147 to make a comparable argument and that would have to be fighting at 130 and in your next fight fighting at 147. Not going to happen. So it's not the same.
     
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    1. GSP & Anderson Silva are 1 & 2 Lb for Lb in their Sport, just as Manny & Floyd are in there's (Yes, REED knows Bones Jones is Knocking on the Doorstep of BOTH, but it's Still PREMATURE to Usurp Either @ this Point)...

    2. GSP-Silva is MMA's Biggest PPV or Live Gate Attraction just as Manny-Floyd is Boxing's Biggest PPV or Live Gate Attraction...

    3. GSP-Silva has Been REALISTICALLY Talked about Since Around the Time of the Hardy or Alves Fights (Mid '09-Early '10)...Manny-Floyd has Been REALISTICALLY Talked about Since Around the Time of Manny's Bout w/Hatton (Mid '09)...

    4. @ the Time GSP-Silva was 1st REALISTICALLY Talked about, both Fighters had Cleaned Out their Divisions...There was Really NO Other Pertinent Fights on the Horizon for Either (the ONLY Reason GSP has a Viable Foe Now is Because of his Own Inactivity...The Only Reason Silva has a Viable Foe is Because it'll B a RE of his Closest UFC Fight)...@ the Time Manny-Floyd was 1st REALISTICALLY Talked about, Manny & Floyd were CLEARLY a Class Above the Rest...

    5. Despite ya'lls Infatuation w/"Weight", there's a CLEAR CUT Size DISadvantage in the Case of Pac-Floyd as Well...Guys like Cotto, Clottey & Sugar Shane were BIGGER than Manny...Hell, even Hatton was...Floyd's the SAME Size as those Fighters @ WORST, Perhaps even BIGGER than them...So While GSP Would B @ a Size Disadvantage vs. Silva, so Too Would Manny P vs. Floyd...


    Honestly, it's an INSULT to the Intelligence of your Fellow Poster to State there's "NO Similarities" btwn GSP-Silva & Pac-Floyd...Again, the Shit is OBVIOUS...

    No, U Don't Shove MMA down Anybody's Throats, but U're RELUCTANT to Criticize it, that's for Sure...It's as if MMA Can Do No Wrong...



    REED:hammert:
     
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    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    Trp Said it SEVERAL Times...There Goes those MMA Blinders Again...



    REED:mj:
     
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    He said nobody is crying for it. Demanding it.
     
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    It's Only Different when U Bog Yourself Down in SEMANTICS & Sweat 2 or 3 Lbs Here or There...The CONCEPT Itself is Similar & OBVIOUS...



    REED:Lok:
     
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    So was Hopkins and Mayweather. That means nothing.
    Doesnt mean that they HAVE to fight. Cyborg vs. Manny Pacquaio would sell big too, but that doesnt mean it HAS TO HAPPEN.

    Nobody talked about Manny vs. PBF seriously until Manny moved up to welter. And once they were champs in the same division there was no excuse.

    Yeah it was TALKED about. It wasnt demanded. It was something that was discussed. However, someone moving up or down that big in weight isnt so easy. However, they were champions in different weight divisions, and cleaned out their divisions. That isnt what happened with Pac and floyd. Pac and floyd individually never cleaned out their weight division, because they never fought each other. Hell, Mayweater never fought anyone in his division. Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Clottey.

    Since floyd never fought Cotto or Clottey or margarito and just an old shane, what would you base this one? Mayweather Fought a bunch of blown up Jr. Welters. All that means shit anyways as they have both been champions at 147 for years. Obviously there is no longer a size disadvantage.

    You didnt make your case IMO

    You want to bet money on that?
     
    Anthony, Jan 20, 2012
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    It's 2 and 3 pounds here and there for boxing. Not MMA. In MMA it's 15 pounds. Again. It's similar to, but more than Mayweather fighting against Hopkins in 2004. That would never happen and nobody called for it. YOU never called for it. Why? It's less than silva vs. GSP right?

    Seems this little tidbit keeps getting ignored.
     
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    1. Was there ANY Talk of Floyd vs. BHop @ ANY Time???...Didn't Think So...But there HAS been LEGITIMATE Talk of GSP vs. Silva for 2 Fucking YEARS Now...Swing & a MISS...

    2. Cyborg vs. ANY Male would B a CIRCUS Fight...Did U REALLY Reference a Male vs. Female Bout in an Attempt to BOLSTER your Point???...

    3. The Moment Hatton was STRETCHED OUT on the Canvas is the VERY Moment Pac-Mayweather Started Being SERIOUSLY Discussed...

    4. You Act as if GSP DOESN'T CUT ALOT of Weight to Make 170...He's NOT Some SMALL Guy that has to Eat to Make 170...Pac & Floyd R Fighting in the Same Division but there's Actually As Much if Not MORE of a Size Discrepancy btwn those 2, as there is btwn GSP & Silva, in REED's Opinion...

    5. Uuuuuh, Shane's the COMMON Denominator Here...He's Fought Pac, Floyd AND Cotto...Shane was SLIGHTLY Bigger than Cotto, NOTICEABLY Bigger than Pac & of Similar Size (Though SHORTER) as Floyd...What is REED "Basing this On"???...His EYE'S...

    6. FUCK your Opinion...REED's Made a COMPELLING Argument, U're just INSISTENT Upon Keeping your Head Buried in the MMA Sand...




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    The ONLY Time GSP is 170 is the Day of the WEIGH-IN...This Little Tidbit Keeps Getting Ignored Too...

    Neither Floyd NOR Manny Gain as Much Weight as GSP Does, After Weighing In...

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    Of course there was no talk of it. It would be ridiculous to suggest such a thing. So GSP not rushing to jump and fight Silva isnt getting hated on because most people realize that it's a big fucking step.

    When your argument for a fight being made is because it will be a big sell, I can easilly compare the two.

    The moment he knocked out Hatton it was talked about. The moment they became champions in the same division, IT WAS DEMANDED. Big difference.

    Save your opinions. Get some facts before you make a claim like this. If you want to use some silly argument like that, than bring up Silva having to cut weight in order to get to 185. Then you would be objective. But that wont fit your argument would it?

    Old shane is the denominator? Please.

    You cant say "Fuck you opinion" when you reply to all my post. Obviously you care what i have to say. See i wont say fuck your opinion because i do care what you have to say. I respect your view and show you that respect when i post. I wish you would do the same and actually debate like a civil person when you disagree. Im here debating with you. I could have ignored you like i do RJJ who's opinions i have zero respect for. Yet time after time in this thread you have insulted me and my views.
     
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    Same could be said about silva and 185 no?
     
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    I don't agree with this this. The higher up in weight, the less percentage of body weight each pound is. That's why two or three pounds is such a huge deal in the tiny weight classes.
     
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    This whole weight debate is fun but it's really only dodging the real point.

    Regardless of the impact of weight or how far above their natural weights Manny and Floyd currently reside, there is only one fact that really matters.

    They both hold titles in the SAME FREAKING DIVISION. Weight has nothing to do with Manny and Floyd not happening. But being Champions in different weight classes is the ONLY reason GSP-Silva hasn't happened.

    The one thing I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that if Manny and Floyd where in the UFC, they would have fought already. Probably more than once.

    Therein lies the huge difference. I know it will irritate Reed's tender vagina, but it's true. The UFC would have matched them already. Like it or not, this is a shortcoming of boxing that pisses me off. 2 guys dancing around each other at the same weight calling themselves the best yet having no urgency to actually fight.

    Sorry, but that flat out sucks.
     
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