Who has had the better career: Shane or Oscar?

He was fatigued and figured he was better off staying away.

That stuff about his corner telling him to run is blown out of proportion.

You can hear them saying "box, box, box", not "run, run, run". They said "no more rounds like that" after round 10, a round in which he had been more defensive and on the retreat than the other rounds. He ran even more in the next 2 rounds.

 

What's your definition of "worth a damn"?

 

Thats a good point. Worth a damn is a bit harsh.

So I'll simply ask who are Oscar's most notable wins. And of those which ones were at/near their best?

 

2 B FAIR, Shane's Body DIDN'T Look Much Different B 4 OR After that Fight...

He's ALWAYS Been a Heavily Muscled Guy...


REED

 

Most notable wins:

Rafael Ruelas: in his prime

Genaro Hernandez: in his prime, although the fight was @ 135 and not @ 130 where Hernandez did all his work.

Julio Cesar Chavez: past his prime

Miguel Angel Gonzalez: in or close to his prime. He was did his notable work at lightweight. I missed his fight with Lamar Murphy 16 months before he lost to De La Hoya, but I heard he got a gift (and a mini-riot broke out afterwards).

Pernell Whitaker: past his prime.

Wilfredo Rivera: in his prime

Ike Quartey: near his prime, but he was inactive for almost a year and ahalf. I think Quartey won anyway, but I think De La Hoya won against Trinidad.

Fernando Vargas: not what he was pre-Trinidad, but still a good fighter.


Some were prime, some were past it, some were close to their prime...The thing is, you can use this argument for a lot of fighters. Mosley may have the head-to-head edge, but De La Hoya's resume of solid wins is deeper than Mosley's.

 

good stuff.

Hypothetically, would you have Mosley over ODLH if he had beaten Cotto?

 

Mosely could have 5 careers, and he wouldn't come close to De La Hoya.

De La Hoya transcended the sport and became a celebrity. Non boxing fans....non Latino boxing fans, all know who Oscar de la Hoya is. Shane Mosely is pretty much unknown among non boxing fans.

TFK

 

I'm simply looking at it from a boxing view. Meaning how they actually did inside the ring, not how many butts they put in the seats.

De La Hoya is definitely the more polarizing of the two.

 

Maybe. I don't know who I'd have higher but I wouldn't have a problem with it going either way, much like the decision in their rematch.

 

Yeah, I rarely look at popularity and all that. I just look at ring performances, resumes, achievements, etc...

But the popularity can greatly affect the resume, for instance Oscar being able to fight the bigger names and whoever he wants since he can demand the lion's share of the purse and the opponents still agree.

 

I would say DLH, because he has had so many memorable fights and many good wins. With Shane, his only real GREAT wins are basically against DLH himself... and at that the first fight was a split decision and the 2nd fight most thought Oscar deserved to win.

The thing about DLH is, even in his most legit defeats.. he is never 'dominated', even against Hopkins he DID win some rounds, and make most rounds close. Mosely on the other hand, has been absolutely dominated in 3 of his losses, both Wright fights and against Vernon in the 1st match where he practically got killed.

In DLH's losses, or even controversial wins.. he always does well.. Whitaker, Mosely (both fights!), Quartey (late knockdowns), Tito, Hopkins (to a much lesser degree.. he did get dominated and stopped in the last 2 rounds, no shame there), and Mayweather who despite the clear loss did very well arguably winning 5 or 6 rounds.

DLH has fought better names, drawn bigger crowds, won more titles in more weight classes, fought almost even head-to-head, and done WELL for himself, every night in the ring. He has had a better boxing career.

 

I didn't think Winky dominated the Mosley rematch.

 

Hernandez had his nose broken by Shane during a sparring session prior to the DLH fight. So, in a sense, Shane helped Oscar win that fight. ::

Chavez wasn't just past his prime, he was well past his prime and had already been cut just a few days prior to the first fight.

The best arguments that can be made for Oscar fighting and beating someone in his prime are Ruelas, Gonzalez, and Rivera.

Oscar's resume is better than Shane's but it's not light years like some people have claimed. On the other hand, his bankroll and popularity are definitely light years ahead of Shane's.

 

It was closer, but Winky still won very clearly. It wasn't as one sided as the first fght though.

 

Winky dominated Shane more than Oscar has been dominated in any fight except vs Light Heavyweight champ B Hopkins

 

Oscar by far.

 

Oscar ... no contest.

 

Floyd handled Oscar as easily as Winky handled Shane.

 

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:laughing: ODLH was KO'd by a body shot from BHop. Yet your explanation of him not being dominated was that he DID win some rounds.:laughing:

 

Shane's a roid abuser. All of his fights should be investigated. His entire record of wins should have asterixes on 'em.

 

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