Who has more power?

:laughing: That just aint right! :nono:

 

You may precieve that Wlad has faster hands cause his right hand is straighter, and slightly more accurate than Lewis' was. But in terms of raw handspeed, Lummox was faster. Wlad's speed is overrated just like every other aspect about him.

The ONLY thing I'll give him over Lewis is that he had a better arsenal of punches, and even thats not by much. I have yet to see Wlad establish a good uppercut, which Lewis certainly had.

Wlad cant carry Lummox's jock. Not in anything, except MAYBE chess. Lewis might beat him in that too.

 

Wlad's speed was nowhere to be seen when Corrie smashed a blazing 4 punch combo on his face. Wlad's speed is only apparent when a guy is standing right in front of him, where Wlad is free to set up his punches. There's no speed when he's being attacked. He can't counter punch for sh*t, he just goes into a shell, runs away or holds.
That being said, he's still a fast puncher. But anybody can be fast on a heavybag and that's what a lot of his opposition has been. Short heavy bags who stand in front. Not guys who come at him with fury like Sanders did.

 

And this is the bottomline with you and that's why it is FUTILE for me to attempt to even discuss this speed issue with you when it is OBVIOUS that Wlad is faster.

 

I think Wlad is faster. Alot of it has to do with his hand position and technique - he simply punches straighter and 'shorter' than Lewis does/did.

The net result is the same - he gets to the target FASTER, which is speed.

And btw, Wlad's balance/position has always been better when he punches, which allows him to bring the punch back faster and also affects perception of speed.

Lennox could trigger some punches pretty quickly - most especially that right uppercut. And sure, all fighters pull out occasional combos that show more speed than 'normal', especially when they aren't stepping into every punch.

But to me Wlad has always been consistently quicker in his punch delivery...Wlad's hands are very, very fast - and btw, they were faster earlier in his career.

Doesn't mean Lennox is slow....I just don't think he had quite the same handspeed that Wlad does.

Peace.

 

Neither did Lewis look too fast when Rahman was right-crossing him like a fool against the ropes; after 4 rounds of Lewis throwing slow, looping shots.

He didn't look to fast being downed against McCall, either.

We are not talking about skill here; but speed.

Why must these threads always degenerate into a discussion on which fighter is "better" and why the other fighter "sucks?"

 

I'd say they're pretty much about even in terms of power. I mean when both ever commited to their straight rights,most of the time,who was ever on the receiving end on a few of them,eventually goes down:warning:

 

Lets not go overboard.

 

That's just X language. Translated it means "I lean slightly towards Lewis comparing the two"

 

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Seriously though, I'd like to know which 5 fools on here voted for Wlad in this thread.

 

After just rewatching Wlad - Austin, that leaping left hook from Wlad, and that left hook he hit Peter with in round 12, were lightning quick shots, he can be VERY explosive to the extent where those single punches are difficult to see, even on television, his overhand right he hit Jefferson with was extremely swift aswell, Medusa is physically and mentally stronger, has a better chin and heavier hands more devistating with one punch, but I think Wlad's handspeed is comfortably faster.

 

Lewis' wingspan was considerably longer than Wlad's, from fingertip to fingertip. About 4" longer. So with the shorter arms, Wlad may have had that advantage in speed.

 

Good attempt with ur analysis but u mis-analysed Lewis' forte completely.

What makes Lewis really Lewis are his str8 right and that one-in-a-million right cross.

Who has more power? Hmmm ... I do not think I can put together an educated arguement either way.

I have seen LL do more damage with that right cross than Vlad do with his left hook though.

 

Lewis seems to be the more devastating puncher to me.

 

Wlad's biggest punch is the right hand as well, not the left hook.

Peace.

 

Not too sure about that. The two punches are pretty even in power IMO. He's certainly a more AMBIDEXTROUS puncher than is Lennox.

 

Who's the faster puncher, Wlad or the young south african Corrie Sanders?

 

Corrie's handspeed was consistantly quicker than either of them. Though sometimes Wlad can strike like a snake with single shots.

 

Corrie did that too. Remember how he caught Wlad square with a vicious blazing left from nowhere and it snapped Wlad's head back and put him into a defensive shell? That's why Sanders was called The Sniper.:eeeek:

 

Oh I know, but by the same token, I could barely see that leaping left hook Wlad hit Austin with, or the short hook Wlad hit Sam Peter with in thier memorable 12th round, Wlad has an eery 'flash' like speed at times.

 

dsimon writes:

People are decieved IMO. Vlad has a very high KO percentage and there is a reason. Speed= power. I think Vlad is limited but his punches are fast and straight enough to be power shots. Even his jab is a power shot. Lewis had a much greated variety of punches but Vlad's jab and his straight right are very powerful. I think they are more powerful than Lewis' comprable punches, but Lewis' uppercut is the most powerful of all the punches between the two.

Lewis also has a better hook. Vlad does not seem able to hook at all and he can't fight inside at all. Lewis fights well inside with his uppercut.

Vlad's jab might be as good as Ali's though it is not as versitile. IMO these two might have the best jab in heavyweight history.

Vlad's straight right ranks up there with Joe Louis' and imo these two guys had the best in heavyweight history, though Vlad can't throw combos like Louis did.

Vlad's success is that his limited punches, lack of footwork and total lack of inside fighting is compemented by the fact tha tthe punches he does use he is technically flawless with.

 

dsimon writes:

Tomstaff.:: :: ohh shit!

I agree with Staff on this one but that shit was funny.

 

Wlad has a GREAT left hook IMO.

 

Yes, he is more ambidextrous....

But Wlad's right hand is definitely a bigger punch than his left hook.

Peace.

 

dsimon writes:

I feel like we are watching different fighters. I agree with you that

1) The perception of Vlad's speed could be the straightness of his punches. But I think Vlad is probably at least as fast as Lewis

2) Overall Vlad does not compare to Lewis.

But what arsenal of punches?:dunno: Vlad has never had to really throw anything but his jab since Stewart. He wailed on Austin but that was hardly anything more than... wailing.

I don't think that Vlad could do anything against a guy who fights inside properly though. Frazier would beat the piss out of Vlad, so would Tyson for the same reason. Vlad keeps everyone at a distance... he will take a knee rather than fight inside (Sam Peter) and if Peter had an inside game he would have beat Vlad.

 

Dsimon...ya gotta be kidding me. ::

Lewis' left hook was mediocre - and exclusively a set-up to his right hand.

Lennox's left hook was usually wide, not fully turned over, and he rarely really hurt people with it.

On the other hand, Wlad's hook (which btw, has improved quite a bit) is a short, vicious weapon - and he throws it shorter, crisper and better than Lewis ever did.

He even hooks off the jab.

Uppercut? Definitely Lewis, no doubt.

Lack of footwork? Wlad? Think again. :nono:

Peace.

 

dsimon writes:

He hooked Peter good, I would not call it great, but yeah I exxagerated when I said he didn't hook at all.

 

dsimon writes:

Vlad's hook is better than stated. Lewis can use his hook inside, Vlad does not fight inside.

Vlad has a great sense of distance and timing but his actual footwork, well maybe I am missing something. Yes he sets up his punches at the right distance. Vlad ties up when he gets tripped up (post Stewart especially), that is his defensive skill. Watch him against Brock the first few rounds. he has no defensive movements other than to tie up. If you can't use your feet to avoid punches, to go off line IMO you have shitty footwork.

When lewis wasnt tripping over his feet his footwork was damned good. Watch him in the Brigg's fight, he is getting hit but just out of range and moving off the line of the punch precisely. Lewis often did this defensively and it looked like he was getting tagged in the process. Watch him in the Ruddock fight.

 

Exaggerated? You were DOWNRIGHT INCORRECT!!::