Who has the best shot at beating Jones @ 205 ?

Triple, time to :TLC:

 

I have GSP ahead of Silva p4p as well. GSP has really cleaned out WW.

 

Koscheck is a worse wrestler and a worse striker than Sonnen and has better BJJ.

Overall he's an inferior fighter.

Also, not sure how Leites and Cote are considered pathetic performances but Koscheck and Hardy, and considered virtuoso.

 

Well, I have to admit he has a huge point with Leites and Maia. Those were two pathetic performances by a champion.

But again, Those were the only 2 decisions Silva's had in his entire UFC run. No one else has made it to the final bell.

So, you can concede bad performances, and I would overall put the Sonnen fight in that category to some extent, but you can't let those fights completely over shadow the 6 year run he's on.

 

I still fail to see any difference between Silva-Leites and GSP-Koscheck/Hardy.

Really would like to see this addressed.

 

I AGREE with everything you said with perhaps a slight different take.

GSP is BORING and is allowed to be that especially in Canada. He follows the fightplan to a T, takes what is given without putting the victory at risk. He wrestles the strikers and strikes with the wrestlers.

Silva gets BORED with how easy he sees his opposition in front of him, Leites, Maia and is not as busy as GSP is.

But Silva being knocked out by the Serras' of the division, would crumble Silva's spot as p4p best MMA FIGHTER in the world.

GSP is way better than Sonnen on the ground, where he would try to take the fight with Silva, but Anderson would be highly MOTIVATED for GSP. Would have size, striking and subs in his favor.

 

I don't see how the Leites fight was pathetic at all.

Just the typical "OMG ANDERSON WENT TO DECISION! SKY IS FALLING" knee jerk reactions from the fans.

The Maia fight was a spectacle, but in the Leites fight, Silva didn't taunt, or run away, and was landing a lot of strikes in between Leites butt scoots.

These same idiots try to lump the Cote fight into Anderson's so called failures as well.

Let's see, two rounds of 20-18, technical striking against a granite chinned, brawler looking for one big punch. In these two rounds, Cote gets hit with a head kick, a flying knee on the jaw and various other strikes, then blows out his knee mid fight.

Worst performance ever. Should've reverse cartwheel kick KO'd him, then I'd be impressed.

Meanwhile GSP throws a bunch of jabs against Koscheck and apparently it is super impressive.

 

185 is a horrible division both now and historically. Dan Henderson was Silva's biggest win.

IF GSP beats Shields, that win alone is better than the Henderson win, not to mention beating HOFers like Hughes and BJ Penn.

You could concentrate on the losses of GSP. That's where I would start.

 

185 is far from horrible. 265 is horrible. 145 is horrible. 185 is mediocre along with 170 and 135.

 

Innit :bears:

 

Man, I am so glad you brought size into the discussion.

Hmmm, the weight difference between feather and welter in boxing is what? 20 pounds?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Silva jumped up that same amount of weight and absolutely DESTROYED two natural Light Heavyweights one of which was a former champion.

So, heck, I appreciate you acknowledge that fighting bigger guys versus fighting smaller guys is an important factor.

And wouldn't that also detract from GSP's win against Penn who moved up 15 pounds.

Yes, I'm sure size is a big factor in P4P rankings. ::

 

Yep. Impressive win too, Hendo has always been legit.

 

Junior Dos Santos KO's Lesnar. Then super fight with Velasquez. 205 is stacked. 185 and 170 are cleaned out. Aldo reigns supreme in the lower division. It's the fights that are evenly matched with highly skilled and technical FIGHTERS that really are worth watching.

 

I don't. That's why I give him the benefit of the doubt and have him as #2 until he gets beaten.

See, the ironic thing is, you're acting like I called Silva a scrub, when actually I listed him as the guy most likely to beat Jones, and have him as #2 P4P ::

 

BJ Penn could fight SELECTIVE fights at 170 otherwise he has no business in the division. NONE. He sort of HAD to go there after the Edgar fights.

GSP and Fitch too damn BIG for the Prodigy.

 

Trpl, have you ever heard of the word ratio or percentage?

 

It so funny how divisions become garbage when a fighter beats everyone in that division.

Guys like Leben, Franklin, Marquardt, Leites, and Maia weren't garbage when Silva beat them.

And the way he destroyed solid guys like Leben, Franklin and Marquardt is impressive not matter how much slight those guys.

 

I like both divisions, but I have more intrigue in 185 than 170. Obviously the prospects are making a bigger impact, and there is some signings still to be made, plus with Anderson to retire soon the division will be up in the air.

170 is GSP and everyone else, and the division look deeper basically because of the monopoly the UFC holds on the division. They really only need Diaz and Siyar Bahudarazada and I guess Jay Hieron who's pretty meh to me, to really have pretty much everyone worth having out there.

 

185 has been garbage for a long time even when C+ level fighter Rich Franklin "ruled".

185 is the worst division in MMA, and possibly MMA history.:Steve-Dave/MMA:

 

Certainly. And I don't think Silva beating guys moving up from 185 to 205 is as impressive as what Manny has done jumping up from feather.

But my point stands. You can't give Manny additional P4P credit for moving up while not applying the same rationale to the Silva-GSP discussion.

Since you mentioned weight, you have to consider two of GSP's biggest wins are against 155 pounders while Silva has destroyed guys 15 pounds above his division.

Period. Either you give credit for weight jumps in the P4P discussion or you don't. We can try to bury it in the fact that going from 125 to 147 is a higher percentage change but that would semantics.

 

Nick Diaz is the TRUTH. I'd love to see that fight with GSP first before he moves up. He waited too long and took unnecessary kicks from Cyborg. Nick is ALWAYS in great fights.

 

Garbage post.

 

It's funny, boxers almost never go up 20lbs in weight.

They go up 7 or 8 and it is always some tremendously huge difference.

Also...fixed.

 

When someone calls Franklin a C level fighter, it's not worth responding to.

 

If Fitch is too big, how come BJ didn't lose to him?

 

You realise how big a difference there is though?

The percentage of bodyweight Silva jumped up was 10 point something.

The bodyweight percentage Manny jumped up was 16 point something. Basically 60% more.

A guy Silva's size jumping up 20 pounds is impressive but not exactly unheard of, especially if you've got the height like Anderson does.

Jumping up 21 pounds when you're a 5'5 featherweight and started your career at midgetweight is unheard of and just insane.

Sure I give Anderson credit, he looked good, but only as much credit as his possible for despatching two scrubs. Even Jardine did a number on Griffin.

And yeah, I do bear in mind that GSP is a significantly bigger man than BJ, even though it's still a good win, mainly because of how dominant it was over a guy like BJ.

 

Plasterito weighed in at 150. That's 24 pounds.

 

MMA fans don't think like boxing fans.

Not everyone is a scrub or a bum.

Probably the reasoning behind the communication difficulties here.

 

Oh yeah, I must've subconsciously blocked out that farce from my head.

I was thinking about the WBC Super Diamond Interim Gold Belt Emeritus Americas Welterweight Championship of the World of 145lbs that he won against Cotto.