Who Hit Harder - SR Robinson or Trinidad

At first no , I didn't think that but , then you kept going on and on post after post hardly even mentioning the topic at hand .
At that point yes , thats what I thought ..

 

Shavers was nowhere near as good offensively as Sugar Ray Robinson. You obviously didn't read the thread you quoted, and now everyone knows that you're a shithead who doesn't know how to read.

 

That's a great point if we were arguing who was a greater fighter, but the question at hand is who hit harder so make an argument for that and not for who's greater. Hell with the stance you're taking you could make the case that SRR hit harder than Tyson.

You're like a woman, you make up shit just to win an argument. Tito never even touched Wright in that fight, so of course he couldn't change the fight. There were 2 highlight reels in the ODLH fight showing him getting hit by Tito and you could see it was effecting him. Here's another way his power effected that fight, it caused Oscar to have to move and run so much to avoid being hit cleanly that he not only tired himself out but cost himself the victory. I'll give you the Hopkins fight, but that is the only time I've ever seen anyone consistently take Tito's punches and not have it effect them or the fight in some kind of way. I challenge you to find me another.

It's not impossible for a publication to be wrong and the fact is you may be right after all SRR hit hard and just like you and everyone else on this site I never saw him at his best, still though your argument is shit when you're basically basing it on the KO of one guy and what you read from a magazine article.

 

Trinidad didn't land any powershots in the Winky fight? I guess Compubox must be wrong. :jester:

 

He didn't land anything hard. A "powershot" is anything that isn't a jab.

 

can't argue with a great historian in jaws.

 

16-4, this one's quite clear apparently.

 

Rufio = Destroyed :2:

 

I was responding to this post:

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Originally Posted by jaws1216
The thing is, any power shot from trinidad that lands is a fight changer.

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Now, that's just stupid, even for Jaws.

 

I think it's pretty obvious that it needs to land cleanly. Tito never landed a power shot on Wright that didn't have to go through his gloves.
Hell even Wright knew the danger Tito presented, it's the reason Shane landed lots of clean powershots and Tito landed absolutely none. Because Wright knows like everyone else but you that Tito's punches are fight changers.

I'm not saying Tito does or doesn't hit harder than SRR though.

 

Yeah, there's that reason and because Trinidad had one chance and one chance only to beat WInky; via KO.

 

Shane landed power shots because he was much better than Trinidad was by the time he fought Wright. Without the speed he possessed earlier in his career, his power was almost meaningless.

 

Whatever. You can delude yourself however you want to make things right in your head, but I completely disagree and believe wholeheartedly that Wright fought way more recklessly against Shane than he did against Tito because Tito hit's way harder.

 

Um, so you think that if Winky Wright had wanted to, he could have almost completely shut down Shane Mosley's offense the way he did against Trinidad? Then why didn't he?

 

Agree with Rubio. Shane's faster hands allowed him to land on Wright... Tito was really slow in comparison.

 

I would just say that it was simply because Tito was easier to hit then Mosely and Tito had slower hands ..

To catch a quick guy coming in and out , you have to take more chances.
With Tito just standing there with his lead feet , there was no need to be reckless ....
This had absolutely nothing to do with Tito's punch power ..

 

Yep, sums it all up right there.

 

Tito's power is soooo overrated (six morons actually thought he hit harder than Sugar Ray Robinson!). It was Trinidad's speed that made him dangerous. Once that was gone, he was easy pickings for someone like Wright. Any other moderately talented middleweight could've beaten Trinidad that night.

 

Let me also add this Rub...Tito's speed and stright lead right. He stopped throwing the right effectively as he moved up the P4P list. Classic case of falling in love with power. Against Carr, he used the right and trailed Carr with it after the knockdown. That punch was sorely lacking later when he didn't have the confidence to roll with it.

I hate agreeing with Zac.

 

Well, what about that bum Wright fought who marked up his face. Was that guy so fast Wright couldn't block the punches? What about against Quartey? No, Wright just choses to fight more reckless against guys who aren't a real threat. It's the real reason Shane did better in the rematch. Wright fought at a much more focused and professional level in the 1st fight as compared to the 2nd.

Here's the #1 proof that I'm right. Do you recall Wright dropping his guard and letting Tito land free shots like he did with Shane? If so I'd like to get a copy of those deleted scenes.

 

Let me get this straight. Your agreeing with Rubio that Tito's power was overrated, yet claiming Tito fell in love with his power? I agree with you that Tito did lose a lot by falling in love with his power, but I disagree with Rubio that that power was overrated.

To prove it I once again challenge Rubio to tell me one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent.

 

I think every fighter with a decent punch, who has ability, will find that they have some effect on their opponent. Thats not enough to back your case, IMO.

 

Man, you're really changing your story. First it was "Every power shot Tito landed changed the fight." Now it's, "Name one fight other than the Hopkins and Wright fight where Tito's power didn't have some kind of effect on his opponent." (Answer: The De la Hoya fight, where Oscar simply ran out of gas in the last four rounds and couldn't attack the way he did in rounds 1-8.)

Further, most of Tito's opponents sucked. Shit, he went life and death with David Reid! That's why his power was so meaningful; he was fighting crappy opponents, while his china chin was barely holding up. Sugar Ray Robinson fought and beat better competition after his 34th birthday than Tito did in his entire, overblown career.

 

How did I change my story? I may have changed my wording, but my point is the same. Yeah, I'm leaving off those 2 because Hopkins is the only guy I've ever seen take Tito's punches cleanly and not be effected, and Wright is the only guy I've ever seen Tito not land cleanly against in a 12 rd fight. As for your choice of ODLH, I already answered that one in a previous post but in case you missed it here it is again: There were 2 highlight reels in the ODLH fight showing him getting hit by Tito and you could see it was effecting him. Here's another way his power effected that fight, it caused Oscar to have to move and run so much to avoid being hit cleanly that he not only tired himself out but cost himself the victory.

Tito's comp may not measure up to SRR's but it's no better or worse than pretty much everyone else from Tito's era. Tito did not go life and death with Reid. Other than getting dropped once he basically dominated that fight from start to finish. Also Tito didn't have a bad chin, he often got dropped but was rarely ever shaken up or hurt when it happened. I'm not arguing that SRR's competition was better or worse than Tito's we're talking about punching power and my whole argument with you is you're inability to seperate those 2 diffrences.

 

I dunno about the rest of your post, but Im going to address a few things:

The facts are, Tito was down after 6 completed rounds. Thats half the fight. He did not dominate from start to finish; he lost a few rounds of the fight.

He was hurt by a few guys. I don't agree, his chin was average at best. But IM not sure what that has to do with who hit harder. It means nothing.

 

I haven't seen the fight in yrs, but I remember watching it again after the press and everyone had been saying how Reid was winning early. Wasn't true from what I remember. Once Reid got dropped he was completely out of the fight and it should have been stopped by his corner, he went on to take a huge beating from Tito getting hurt a few more times. Maybe it was domination but he won huge, and definitely by a bigger margin than he beat Vargas.

As for the chin discussion, you're right it has nothing to do with who hit harder. However, I disagreed with Rubio about the chin thing so I just laid out my opinion of it, since he seems more interested in saying how horrible Tito is all around rather than making a point about the thread at hand. I still don't think his chin was bad.

 

This is all true, but none of this happened until halfway through the fight. Reid got slaughtered after that point and in the end took a career changing beating...but until he got hit with Tito's left hook at the end of round 7 (?), Reid was winning the fight and looking good while doing it.

Thats Zac, though. You'll learn over time.

 

I really feel that's a myth. I'm going to rewatch this fight soon and post if it is.

Oh, I already know. Sometimes, I just can't help myself.

 

Well dude, you're free to your own opinion....but its no myth. The fans scored it that way (the majority of) and so did the judges. Its just the way the fight went.

Sometimes, we all can't.

 

So true ! Especially the last sentence ...:2: