Who is the biggest Fraud in boxing today?

As much as I loathe Floyd, I WOULD pick him over Chavez actually. Chavez is one of the most overrated fighters of all time.

Pryor I'm not sure, I could see Pryor beating Floyd actually.

But not Chavez. Flid would do what Whitaker did.

It's a shame Duran and Chavez's primes and weightclasses didn't coincide, Duran would have BUSTED him up something fierce.

 

As for the biggest fraud today, well there's the obvious ones like Chavez Jr etc, Salita too ::

But overall yes, it has to be Arabham :kidcool:

 

Most Jewish fighters are frauds, that Greenburg guy who fought at Heavyweight, even Judah fucked up eventually,...I remember Salita had this fatty fraud friend, a fraudulent sort of a fat guy, who used to sit, {obese, you see} in Gleasons and shout the odds about how everyone was afraid to fight Salita. Yeah, afraid they would kill him.

Salita-Slayer Khan is also a fraud....

Must be a Semite thing:crafty::crafty:

 

Yes...he fraudulently negotiated 12 rounds vs Taylor with less difficulty than anyone before him....and then fraudulently put him to sleep......fraud indeed.

 

::::He was barely winning that fight. Kelly Pavlik beat him easier in the rematch than AA did. If he is so good, why did it take him two tries to beat Edison Miranda.::::Legitimately.

 

Pavlik fought Abrahams left overs.

And Abraham was not "barely winning"....he was way out in front, had not been floored or wobbled {a la Bernard Hopkins, Smelly Kelly or Froch before him}

When they took Taylor into hospital, did they say we got us a case of fraud or a case of brain damage?

 

Arabham leftovers? ::::

What was Taylor if not a Pavlik leftover?

Pavlik beat a fresher Taylor twice, more impressively than Arabham did. Arabham took 12 rounds to beat a tired Taylor, Pavlik iced him in 4.

Pavlik also didn't need to rematch Miranda in order to KO him.

I have no idea how anyone can like Arabham. He is more boring than Tszyu.

He's like a more boring version of Winky Wright with a harder punch, and a 10th of the workrate.

Probably the most boring "power puncher" I've ever seen.

 

Yeah, okay, the one thing you cannot accuse Abraham of is "boring"......someone eventually gets decapitated when he is in the groove. He has scored some of the sickest KO's you will ever see...and there is now way he gets whitewashed {ha ha} by an old prison reject like Hopkins. Pavliks display vs Rubio and Hopkins means him and his fans can sit back and enjoy a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up for now. As soon as he is finished fighting border hoppers, he can re-enter the fray. Abraham is Super-Six, Smelly Staph Sergeant Kelly is just Super-Sick.

I sometimes wonder how many of you have laced 'em up. Keeping your hands up for 12 rounds is one of the hardest things to do. Also, punches thrown from the shoulder are slower than those flicked up from the hips. Yet Abraham is one of the few athletes who can keep his hands UP for the duration, and throw bombs as late as the last 10 seconds of the 12th round.

And Pavlik did not do Miranda in 4, it was 6, at least, maybe 7 rounds.

It was Abraham who did him in 4 ::......and he did him at the higher weight.

Does Pavlik even have a stoppage above 160?

And, using the Sean Reed method, Abraham is higher on the pfp list, as he is UNDEFEATED.

 

Great pick.

I remember our special forum friend giving him a chance to KO Hearns at 147. Isn't that amongst the most retarded things you've ever heard? This special fella loves to rant about the "assholes" in the sport when in truth, Castillo is the lowest from the low. He's known to be an alcoholic who picks up fights with people. Once he burned somebody's car in Hermosillo because of some lame argument and he was arrested for a few hours but was quickly released. So this guy not only cheats with the scales to impose his Welterweight strenght over the true Lightweights, he's also a dangerous piece of shit. How can anyone support or think high of this :shit: ?

 

You gotta admit though,.. the tough, heavy handed motherfucker should let his hands go a bit more,..and he should especially, not run the last 20 seconds of the round out,.. there isn't much illegal about Arabham's style,.. but his rapid end-round backpeddle is classified as 'failing to engage' and he should be penalised for it. :nono:

 

Yes, "You have failed to engage...now put that mans head back on his shoulders and leave the arena" :warning:

How many fights of Abrahams have ended with his opponent totally and utterly incapable of continuing? I mean,.......really fucked up, not outpointed, not stopped, I mean battered into a state of physical and psychological collapse?

Pavlik has 2 really impressive stoppages vs worthwhile fighters. Taylor Part I and Zertuche. Bona-Fide "thats all she wrote" wins.

Abraham has 4, at least. Taylor {hospital case} Ghevor {watch that head swivel}, Ikeke {Freddie Roach in the house.....and no them ropes weren't made for walking} and Miranda II.

This notion of Abraham being some sort of boring, distance fighter, another construct of the Yank media. The guy is COILED for 12 rounds.....if he connects, someone is GOING OUT BADLY.

And anyways, he is part of Super-6, Pavlik is fighting the Espinos of this world.

 

I get his point tho - no one claims Chavez Jr to be anything but a sideshow. It is a bit like calling Butterbean the biggest fraud of the mid 90's thru early 2000's. Not the best example but whatever.

His nonsense about Floyd Mayweather is just that - nonsense.

MikE will hate me for this - but I think in terms of this thread the biggest fraud in boxing might be Zsolt Erdei. The guy is a two division champion now and he hasn't beaten anyone. His quality of opposition is very poor, and when he won the cruiserweight title i saw a couple articles describing him as a P4P elite fighter.

 

Yes. Zsolt is a disgusting lump. He has made ZERO effort to make the trip from Germany to the other hotspots- London, Las Vegas, New York, Moscow etc to make real fucking fights. Him and that other bum Dimitrenko. If Dimitrenko had not made the mistake of fighting Chambers then you could put Dimitrenko on the fraud list too.

Dimitrenko and Erdei are one half the "German" scene, stay at home bums who only fight for easy cash....guys like Abraham, the Klitschkos are the other half, guys who want to add up to something in the game.

 

Ok good,.. and he's proven to be one very, very tough Arab aswell as having a devistating smash,..so why curl up in a ball for 2 minutes and 30 seconds?.. Why not have a bit of a swish?.. and why run the round out?.. .. He could be better than he appears, but he just wont come out for a fight.

 

Don't think it's relevant anymore,but Dominic Guinn fit that bill perfectly.

 

Valero. He is one of those guys who is gonna die young or end up in jail and be overrated for eternity.

 

Either way, Taylor was Pavlik leftovers ::

And yes, I find arabham boring. So what if he gets a KO, the other however many rounds are fucking boring, with him just meandering around the ring with his gloves glued to his ugly face. Boring.

I like activity, action, drama in a fight, not some mook plodding around throwing a punch every minute.

And no, holding your gloves up does not take more energy than throwing 100 punches a round ::

To be honest fighting with your gloves low takes a huge amount of energy, due to the sheer amount of focus and concentration you need to not get hit.

Also, I would pick Nard to whitewash Arabham too.

 

Indeed, he is boring as fuck.

 

Even if what u said was all true it doesn't make him as fraudulent as Mundine.

 

haha...i was going to say something when he was mentioned earlier. I like Erdei and think he is quite good (better than Ottke was, for example), but his wins over Garay have lost weight lately and he does have a pretty shit resume.

 

Abraham has beaten better comp than Pavlik.

Pavlik was carefully matched, to fight guys with poor form, or recent losses.

He has 2, maybe 3 good wins in his career.

Picking "Nard to whitewash Abraham" is a retards recluse. The bottom line is that Smelly Kelly got wiiped out by Bernard....and looked shit in his next fight

I never liked Pavlik. I always thought he was the sort of fighter the American media was wise to: big, dumb, slow, white.

 

He ain't a fraud, though in my eyes. He's very humble and quiet. And never brags about shit. Mundine has a far inferior resume and talks shit as if he was the second coming of Ali. :shit:

 

Mundine has fought better guys than Pavlik, barring maybe Hopkins.

 

The same trainer was in the opposing corner for the fights vs. Tito and Mosley. The same trainer discovered both hand wrapping incidents. The same trainer said exactly what you just did: the two incidents aren't in the same league.

 

Abraham fights like a guy in the UFC. He's got no boxing rhythm really. Obviously, he's been effective up until now, although he clearly lost to Miranda.

It's difficult to imagine he won't lose to a good boxer.

 

Yeah.....he clearly lost to Miranda. You a member of that Flat Earth thing too?? He lost to Miranda the same way Bowe did to Golota. Oh wait....... :LOL:

Taylor was a good boxer. Eastman was a good boxer.

Or do you mean the 2nd coming of Billy Conn, Willie Pep...or.....Bernard Hopkins, even?

 

Eastman is a good boxer? Please. Taylor at one point in his career, because of his speed and athleticism, was difficult to deal with, but he wasn't a good boxer.

I wish Winky Wright weren't shot - he'd bang the shit out of Abraham.

 

Winky Wright...ah yes, the Winky that had such a high-time of it vs the likes of Fernando Vargas.......Harry Simon.......Abraham-Lite, as it were.

And if Eastman is so shoddy....whats he doing last 12 with Hopkins, a better Hopkins than the one Pavlik got dommed by.

 

Hopkins only knocks out welterweights. He couldn't even stop Holmes. And didn't stop Echols in their first fight either.

It hardly says shit about Eastman that he went the distance with Hopkins.

 

BTW,

Vargas, prior to being a victim of assault at the hands of Trinidad, was a much better fighter than Abraham.