Who REALLY Won The Fight?,.. Froch or Dirrell

How I score fights is I take way a point for a landed blow everytime a fighter negatively fights. I guess that is why I am in the minority in the Abraham fight and the tying vote for the Dirrell fight. If you take a landed blow away for everytime Dirrell, flopped on the floor, held and ran away, he actually landed less punches than you and I did.

 

I wouldn't complain about anyone having Froch as the winner by a mile. I thought Dirrell was disgraceful. I just score rounds for punches and Froch landed about three the entire fight.

Basically (like Oscar v Trinidad) Im glad the guy I had winning lost, because that kind of stuff should be discouraged at any opportunity.

 

Kauki, B-Hops may be a dirty fighter but I can't ever recall him ducking below waist level and fighting like a coward. Hopkins isn't afraid to engage. Now if you want to credit Dirrell with taking after certain fighters I'd think Floyd and Roy Jones would be the main 2 who I'd blame for the new wave of safety first cowards that have been coming up lately. Although it must be said that at least Roy was in noway as safety conscious as Dirrell was last night. I'd even say Roy wasn't so much safety conscious but moreso rarely felt the need to take chances. Fraud is both extremely safety conscious and afraid to take chances. Hopkins doesn't fit either mold IMO.

 

I had Dirrell winning the fight easily. Like someone said he landed the cleaner harder shots and he hurt Froch. People keep saying that Dirrell was hunging too much it was no where near the amount that Ricky Hatton did. Also when Dirrell tied Froch up what about the hitting behind the head and what about the body slam? That shit was whack. Now I agree you gotta take the champions belt away which could be used as an argument but Dirrell won the fight. For those that say he ran when Froch trapped him up against the ropes he didn't land shit! Also Froch as to be the one that cuts the ring off. If he is unable to do that and Dirrell can use his legs to elude him whats wrong with that? I'll Holla 5000

 

Froch won...



Dirrell should have lose more than one point for all the holding..and all the bitching he was doing while holding and Froch was smacking him across the head...

 

Yikes.

 

Froch was able to cut the ring and get close but every time he did so...Dirrell would hold him for dear life. Dirrell did look like Hatton a bit w/ all the clinching...

 

If Dirrell was going to try and shove his head into Froch's crotch every time they got close so Froch couldn't hit him then he should have smacked him on the back of the head.

 

Dirrell looked like CORY STINKS with all the holding and thats a far worse crime.

 

I thought Dirrell won the fight. I thought it was a close fight for either guy but Dirrell won on points.

I find it funny that some had either guy sweeping the rounds. Neither guy dominated anything.

You can like Froch's style all you want more than Dirrells's but in scoring fights it's about what counts.

If Dirrells had stood more and traded with Froch than he probably wouldn't have seen the 12th round. So he fought like he was supposed to. Instead of trying to prove something he isn't he just outboxed him.

I can understand people not liking Dirrell's style but I think some go overboard like he ran the whole fight. Yet he still landed more shots on Froch.

 

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You're gonna compare ODH's performance to shit-Dirrell's? And Froch's, for that matter, to Trinidad's?

Please. ODH boxed smartly with good technique, no holding and landing plenty of punches for at least 9 rounds. I thought he lost the fight. But he didn't puss out the way Dirrell did.

 

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For those claiming what a great last 2 or 3 rds that Dirrell had let's get one thing straight. He only stood in the pocket and fought that way because he was dead tired and didn't have the energy to run anymore. Funny part is it was the best thing to happen to him as it caused him to have his best moments of the fight.

 

Fair enough Tam.

Personally I feel there are other factors involved in scoring a fight.

Call me old fashioned, but I still feel you have to "beat the champ".

I know in these alphabet soup days being a "champ" doesn't mean much, but still, for all intents and purposes Frock was the champ, and Dirrell was the challenger, challenging for his FIRST world title.

You don't challenge someone in their own backyard and run around like a bitch for 12 rounds and expect to win, not unless you somehow knock the other guy down in every round.

It really was a non performance.

And from where I was sitting they looked to land a similar amount of punches. Dirrell landing the odd counter shot, and Frock landed some sneaky punches up close, against the ropes, and even a few jabs center ring. But really, even after the fight they both looked more or less untouched.

The key difference was Frock was trying to fight, not running away, holding on for dear life, and flopping on the floor like a newborn deer. AND he was the champ.

 

I can't believe so many people actually had Froch winning. I hate runners and holders as much as the next guy (I've taken part in a short lived movement to have strict penalties placed on holders and runners), but Froch did absolutely nothing to earn a victory in the fight. He barely landed punches. There was no ring generalship whatsoever. His defense was garbage.

And I'm a pretty damn big fan of Froch.

 

Dirrell fought like a bitch, but I had him winning the fight. Froch should have had a point taken for holding and hitting AND hitting behind the head. He did as much fouling as Dirrell did holding.

Close fight with the point deduction, but I thought Dirrell did enough as ugly as it was.

 

Look, Froch landed two punches the entire fight. Still, I would have given him the fight for landing no punches. You are effectivbely aggresive if your opponent runs in fear and cowars from contact. I don't think he was punished enough byu just losing. I would rather watch Allan Green and believe me that is not easy to write.

 

You'd rather see Green look at his shoes all night?

 

Yes. He is also flat footed and will get kayoed. Dirrell should be a punt returner in the NFL or a gimmick wildcat runner. The kid has NFL skills. I was watching the fight and thinking damn that kid got to the edges quick.Then I relaized, I was watching a prize fight.

 

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He even admits himself that he was afraid to engage all these years for fear of being knocked out Lib four Lib, straight from the horses mouth, his entire game revolves around backpeddling, and where he uses the back and brainstem fold I notice is when he backs himself into the corner frequently, posing with that right hand cocked, 'keep away, keep away, keep away' .. when his always pressuring opposition manages to slide by it and trap him in the corner,.. his mechanism is to fold below his opponents waist,.. and THEN.. launch up with his head and a simultaneous clinch.

I wouldn't call Fraud or Dirrell 'coward' fighters,.. 'bitch fighters' perhaps, but the classification 'coward fighter' belongs to Hopkins and Hopkins alone, it's beyond 'bitch'..he's in a class all by himself,.. when you impliment virtually every illegal avenue there is to exploit, and even fucking train for it in the gym as part of your apparatus, Hopkins is in an unmatched stratusphere,.. and whats the reaction to it from fans?.. ..the term 'legend' and 'great' ..as if it were 'kbe' ...an affectionate knightinghood.

 

Froch isnt that good, but he's Carlos Monzon compared to that worthless, chinless, heartless bum Allan Green.

Oh, you were talkin bout Dirrell. Well Dirrell is Sweet Pea compared to Green. Green blows! Sakio Bika is better than Green. Bute, and Andrade are both waaayy better than Green.

Green deserves to be badly KTFO several times over. I say force him to fight AA next, then force him to move up in weight and fight Tavoris Cloud. After that, force him to move up to 210 and fight Haye. Then I'll be satisfied.

 

I would not have given it to dirrell

even though i thought he won, Froch landed a few punches but not many, he did land a few more punches when dirrell was holding on for dear life. Froch shouldn't have been called for any foul at all. Dirrell was exposing the back of his head constantly and he was exposing his back at times too. He deserves to get 1000 rabbit punches for the illegal tactics he was employing. If you don't want to be rabbit punched stop exposing the back of your head. Dirrell is way worse than floyd. floyd is a boring fighter, but dirrell is a class unto his own in the realm of boring fighters. I would not watch dirrell fight again even if you offered to pay me $10,000. He sucks.

 

This poll is split straight down the middle virtually,.. Fightbeat scores it a draw.

 

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I was watching an internet stream of the fight this weekend with a bunch of other boxing fans. Not casual fans but hardcore, this sport is their life, they remember the day Julio Cesar Chavez lost his virginity to Pernell Whitaker like it was their own kids B-day type of fans.

Half of them walked out of the room during the fight to drink beers, eat pizza and argue about football so they wouldn't have their stomach upset by Dirrell's "boxing skills".

The guys that stayed behind, including myself couldn't make sense at all of what was going on during the fight. Stream was pretty good quality to. I think a couple of us had Froch winning, a couple thought Dirrell may have pulled it out in the end.............but everybody was sort of drifting and bullshitting and by the end we were just glad it was over. It was pretty unanimous we didn't want to see Dirrell again but for the sake of the tournament he may be a neccessary evil.

 

I actually like Green a bit despite his flaws. Didn't he just have a major health issue............his kidneys or something?

He may have had a couple subpar performances lately but I always thought he was a entertaining fighter for the most part and a pretty decent guy.

 

I like watching Green. He hits hard, has decent orthodox skills. And thats it. He is NOT good enough to compete in this tourney. He wouldn't hold up over the course of tough fight followed by tough fight.

You know who would? Sakio Bika.

 

I hate Dirrell...picked Froch to KO him...

He won the fight.

I had him up 5-1 after 6.

 

Probably. I heard he finally got out from under his "Contender" contract, which apparently did absolutely nothing for him.