Who seriously believes Margarito can win this Saturday Night

Agreed!

 

I don't follow Antonio but having seen a few of his last few fights the guy won't be afraid to stand and trade, he's the bigger guy so he'll try and get a foothold on the fight early, to try and use his size to his advantage, but his defense isn't the best and as pac is so fast and and difficult to get to grips with, pac should win the majority of the rounds.
The guy has a pretty good chin and can take a punch, but Pac will surely get a stranglehold on the fight midway to late on and I have Pac to win by late TKO

 

To me this fight comes down to 2 primary things. First, can Margarito inflict enough damage early to slow Manny down as the fight progresses. We know Margarito will get hit yet he will likely remain in position to throw back. He needs to make his shots count even if he is getting out landed 3-1.

Second, if it turns into a brutal war, which guy will have the most desire, motivation and resiliency. Manny seems a bit disinterested and Margarito had the fight beaten out of him in the Mosely fight. So it is possible that either guy might not have the will to gut out a slugfest that goes late and lays down a gauntlet of adversity.

Personally I think it does become a brutal fight with Manny significantly out landing Antonio in the early rounds. However, I think Margarito lands enough punishing shots to reduce Manny's output during the middle rounds and the fight will tighten up. Ultimately Manny will be the one with that extra push in the last couple of rounds and stop Margarito in the 11th.

 

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I don't care how it sounds, it's an opinion and it's no more pulled out my ass than yours is on this particular issue. And a far smaller leap of trust than your silly position on Pac's innocence despite all his squirming.

We all have a license to be wrong, I'm not gonna argue this issue anymore. My prediction stands - i think there's a fair chance Pac will find this difficult due to styles, but Im no boxing nostradamus.

 

There's no sillyness in a philosophy of innocent until proven guilty.

Pacquiao might be roided up to the eyeballs, I've said this plenty of times. The thing is, we don't know that, there is no proof. And yes, it's a much, much bigger leap of trust. We know for a fact that Plasterito cheated, in the most disgusting way possible. We don't know the same about Pacquiao, it's just rumours.

If evidence does emerge that he is roiding, what would be silly would be thinking that he's only done them like twice.

Just as it's silly to think Plasterito has only used the magic wraps twice.

Yes, both our views are opinions, but the opinion that plasterito only used his magic wraps once or twice before Mosley is absurd.

 

Agreed again.

 

Ok Tony only tried to use the wraps once - against Mosley. Hows that for innocent until proven guilty?:scared:

You're inability to see your own contradictions on these things is sometimes pretty amazing.

 

Great point I forgot about this fight

 

How can we have proof when he refuses to take blood tests? That is the only thing that will prove it...you realize this right?

 

not sure what he has left, but there's the motivation factor and also the fact that he's a much bigger guy. i think it's just matter of how much punishment he's able absorb at this point in his career.

i think he has a great chance to win and it would be very interesting to see how people will react if he does.

 

And a time machine is the only thing that will prove Tony used wraps against Cotto.

Innocent all round, stand up gents in this match up, which is a credit to the sport.:bears:

 

Wrong. Proof a la Mosley with Balco would be equally satisfactory, if not more so.

 

:bears:

 

:bears::bears:athetic:

 

And how likely is that? We're 8 years on - when's the next major Balco scandal scheduled on your calendar? For a smart person you say some stupid fucking shit on this particular issue.

 

Margarito's alleged cheating in fights prior to Mosley is based on nothing but logical inference from highly suspicious circumstantial evidence.

Pacquiao's alleged cheating in recent fights is based on nothing but logical inference from highly suspicious circumstantial evidence.

Either both are 'innocent until proven guilty' & we abstain from speculation. Or we use the available circumstantial evidence to draw our own inferences based on our interpretations and voice our opinions.

MWS wants to have it both ways based on which fighters he likes and which he doesn't. All the while suggesting everyone who won't play that game is either being biased or stupid.

Quite annoying....

 

I just don't see how anybody is just going to absorb punishment from Pacman, add to this his defensive skill being slightly better than Arturo Gatti's, his below average speed and the fact that he is always down to elite fighters early, it's going to take a superhuman effort from him to win this fight. Apart from size which has proven to be no obstacle at all for Manny there is nothing Margarito has an advantage in at all.

Fighting Manny Pac with crappy d and slow ass offence is not an enviable position. Margarito will earn his money Saturday night.

 

Margarito has been caught, Manny hasn't. Simple as that.

 

I don't think Cotto's swelling is the end all be all of evidence against plaster wraps. You can't expect the same swelling to show up on everybody Margartio punched with those wraps.

Besides, the evidence was there in other areas. Clottey was handily beating the crap out of Margarito with sound counterpunching when suddenly after 4 or 5 rds he was in his corner contemplating quitting. He went on to lose that fight in a way that screams unbearable punching power was the culprit.

Paul Williams for the 1 and only time in his career fought Margarito by using his reach to box from the outside and clinch whenever Margarito got inside. It was an absolute clinic and although it shows no evidence of Margarito cheating, at the same time it wouldn't matter because Williams gameplan was good enough to neutralize Margarito's offense. So whether he had plaster or not Tony's offense was never allowed to make any impact in the fight thanks to Paul's clinching.

And as for the first Cintron fight it's the last place you should be looking to prove Margarito's innocence. Cintron's as soft as a pastry danish but even for him, getting bowled over with such relative ease in five 1 sided rds says a lot.

The real evidence though should be in how average opponents have reacted to Margarito's power lately, and how Margarito has fought those opponents lately. Is it the same as in the past?

 

Agreed.

I hope Margarito takes a Jones-Hall, Brown-Vaca type ass kicking though.

Plasterito makes me sick and so does his fans who excuse everything he does.

 

Margarito wasn't caught with plaster in the Cotto fight. Simple as that. Innocent until proven guilty.

Fuck sake man, catch a grip.

 

Well he's only had one fight since against a guy who's never been stopped. Not sure anything can be drawn from that, tbh.

 

Again I stand by my opinion with the proviso that it's purely a guess based on the available evidence the same as everybody else's opinions/guesses.

The only point I'll defend strongly is that we don't know when the wrapping started and that we'd be making a very big presumption to assume he'd been illegally wrapping his hands for a decade.

DIG?

 

He has been caught with concrete wraps in one fight. That's enough to use logic and common sense to deem beyond reasonable doubt that he has almost certainly used wraps in every other significant fight he's had.

Just like it would be reasonable to assume that Pacman juiced in pretty much every fight on the world stage if he is caught.

To put it simply, you'd have to be a complete and utter idiot to think that was the first time Plasterito used the magic wraps, or even anywhere near the first time.

 

what would you suspect if margarito refused to let anyone check his hand wraps?

 

Im not even talking to you on this anymore, mate.

I think this issue has been delegated to the small piece of your brain missing from a childhood accident with a pool cue or something.

 

What the fuck are you talking about? You're in the minority here. Most people, including former Plasterito fans like Double L, believe that Plasterito has been loading his gloves for years.

It's the logical train of thought, what I'm suggesting is hardly outlandish or unusual.

Either it's you who has a piece of brain missing, or for some bizarre reason you have a raging hard on for the greasy scumbag.

 

A lot of people overlook this point.
SSM ability to hold had a lot to do with his success.

I'm tipping the upset.
Marg by TKO, (Manny's prep has been questoinable & Marg will be too big, fit, strong & has a good chin), thus adding Manny to PBF's hypothetical resume.

 

Cool.