Who was more scared of tough competition ?

from 97-99, he may have been somewhat competitive. he still would've lost. post 2000, he would've gotten severely fucked up.

 

seriously, who the fuck thinks David Reid was a great fighter?

terrible comparison

 

you arent sure if Hearns is a greater fighter than Toney??? are you mental???

how about the fact that Hearns later WON a title at middleweight and had no problem knocking the shit out of many perfectly adequate middleweights? how about the fact he later won the Light Heavyweight title TWICE!!!???

Hearns had just destroyed Roberto Duran in 2 rounds, the same Roberto Duran that drove Marvin nuts for 15 rounds... the idea that he wasn't considered all that big a threat is nonsensical and revisionist

Thomas Hearns was again, EASILY, twice the fighter James Toney was

 

RJJ wasn't scared of nobody. He damn near fought a prime Lennox Lewis.

 

LMAO

 

Hearns was a more exciting fighter than toney by a country mile, was involved in far more high profile fights and had an electric combination of speed and power with Toney didn't have in such quantities. However..in his prime he lost his two biggest fights by KO and head to head James Toney would have....

KICKED HIS ASS!!

But this is my opinion and you are entitled to your own.
Hearns was stopped Twice in his prime.

Hearns was indeed a threat to Hagler...I apologize if I made it seem he wasn't. I agree..his win over Duran made him a huge threat...but Hagler was still favoured..I don't believe Jones was favoured over Toney. Toney was a bigger threat comparitively speaking.

 

Will there be another Roy Jones? Probably not I'd say. I seem to remember that he stopped Virgil hill with a body shot. I'm assuming that you have forgotten.

 

I damn near base jumped off of angel falls. But then I decided not to and just jumped off my kitchen table instead.

 

Lets sincerely hope not.

 

You're so boring and predictable. You make BOSS yawn

BOSS :boohoo:

 

I think it parallels very well with the Klitschkos vs Haye that we have going on right now.

The Klitschkos are going to be the strong favorites against the relatively unknown Haye, but it's the fight that makes sense and the fight that everyone wants to see. Haye has only been on us tv a couple of times, he's well-regarded, and he has some very solid wins. This is Dariusz. However, the trump card that Dariusz had over Haye is that he had the lineal title.

 

mikE when was the last time a Klitschko was on USA PPV? Was it Wlad v Ibragimov? or maybe Vitali v D/Williams?

 

believe me, if HBO was trying to buld up Dariusz for a fight with Roy, the last thing they'd want to do is to show the Montell fight. It was a terrible, terrible stoppage. Still, Dariusz was a little tank, would he have beaten RJ?? probably not, but he was by far his best opponent at lhw and it's a damn shame that the fight was never made

 

Toney's chin is the only thing he had over Hearns

Tommy Hearns absolutely could have beaten him at 160, 168 or 175... when did James Toney EVER come forward through the shitstorm and just go for the KO against anyone? because thats all he has against Hearns... he can not outbox him if his life depended on it... he'd eat the end of those jabs all night long and Hearns would keep him honest with the right hand... Toney doesn't have the reckless courage of Leonard or Hagler, he never showed an ounce of that in his whole career, nor does he have Barkley's brute strength or the shitty defense to make Hearns over confident... Hearns would box Toney all day long and win going away, he's a far better fighter who did far more things well

 

Roy and DM ducked eachother but if you really want to lay blame, it has to go to DM. He flatly refused to fight in the states and like it or not, it is the home of bigtime boxing.

Roy ducked the hell out of Jirov though. No arguement there.

 

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...charges-in-court/story-e6freoof-1225956495360

 

how can you duck a guy not in your weight class?

Roy ducked DM because there was more money to be made in Germany. Roy wasn't a draw back then. Roy's excuse was never 'more money in usa' it was always 'wahhh, i got ripped off in Korea so i'm not going to germany'.

 

Toney doesn't have "wreckless" courage, but he never went into a shell either.

Overall i agree though. It's Hearns fight to lose.

 

He was obviously a bad ass. This enhances Roys legacy.

 

Griffin would have been saved by the bell and KO'd in the next round. It's not like the outcome was changed one iota. Cortez did his job, for once.

 

He brought up Jirovs name and then ran once paperwork was getting drawn up from memory. That's a duck job.

Who said ANYTHING about more money in the US? Fact is big time boxing resides in the states. All the big fights are held there and every significant champion has gone to the states to fight. Maybe less true as time wears on but back then? No contest.

DM didn't want to do that. He watched Roy beat a guy, got on a plane and never returned. He is more to blame.

 

just realized I misspelled wreckless:bangh:

 

Caligula must be on his day-off.

wreckless.......would that cover Ivan Calderon and Paul Spadafora?:laugh11:

 

Spadafora? out of the ring, maybe:giggle:

 

If you don't focus on money then you're just looking for a way to justify Roy's ducking of Dariusz.

Dariusz, Maske, Ottke, Calz, russians in japan like Arbachakov, japanese champs...there were lots of significant champions who didn't fight in the us back then.

Did Roy ever go watch Dariusz fight in Germany? No, because he didn't want to fight him in the first place. See how this works? In the end, you look at the money because it was obvious that neither guy was going to go out of his way to fight the other, but Dariusz had the trump excuse which was more money for both in Germany.

 

Everybody would have said the same had Wlad-Peter I been stopped after the 2nd kd in the 5th round. Things were looking bleak for Griffin, but he had show earlier to have the power to hurt Dariusz and had the skills to possibly turn it around. That's why a ref is supposed to stop the fight when a fighter isn't defending himself, not when he thinks it's gonna be all downhill from now for a fighter.

 

In the Boxing World, Roy was the MARQUEE Fighter in a Matchup w/MichalSHITski & As Such, had ALL The Leverage in Terms of WHERE that Bout Would & Should Take Place...Roy Called ALL The Shots & DESERVEDLY So....PERIOD...

ELITE Level AMERICAN Fighters RARELY, if EVER, Fight Overseas These Days or even in the Late 90's....How Many Overseas Fights has Dela, Sugar Shane, Floyd or Fernando Vargas had???....It's Only the American's w/Something to PROVE that Fight Overseas...Sorry, but No Matter How Much U Beat this DEAD HORSE, MichalSHITski is MORE @ Fault than Roy was, for that Bout NOT Happening....

WHY???

Because MichalSHITski SAID he'd Fight in America, Attended Roy vs. Virgil Hill & NEVER EVER Set Foot on American Soil Again...From the BEGINNING, Roy Made it CLEAR that he WOULDN'T Fight MichalSHITski Overseas, yet MichalSHITski SAID HE WOULD Fight in America...Only Problem was, Roy Jones WAXED a Guy that MichalSHITski Went 12 Rounds w/(While MichalSHITski Sat RINGSIDE) & All of a Sudden, MichalSHITski CHANGED HIS MIND about Fighting in America...

To Make Matters WORSE, MichalSHITski is 1 of the FEW So-Called "Elite" Non-American Fighters of the Last 10-20 Years that NEVER EVER Fought on American Soil...BOTH Klit Brothers Did, Prince Naseem Did, Lennox Lewis Did, Ricky Hatton Did, Joe Calzaghe Did, Carl Froch Has, Arthur Abraham has, Mikkel Kessler has...& That's just EURO Fighters...

Morales, Barrera, BOTH Marquez Brothers, Cotto, Trinidad, Clottey, Quartey, Pacquiao...The List of ELITE Level, Non-American Fighters that Fought in America Faaaaaaaaaaaaar OUTWEIGHS the List of those that DIDN'T...NO Disputing that....

"Strangely", MichalSHITski is Part of that LAME ASS Collection of Fighters that NEVER Managed to Fight in America, yet YOU still Wanna SOLELY Blame Roy Jones for that???....


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Michaelshitski has Margaritoitis if Roy and Floyd didn't fight them then they are elite.

 

But Even Margarito Didn't EMBARRASSINGLY FLOP his Way Out of a Loss vs. Rocchigiani, NOR did Margarito LOSE his Title to a Guy as AVERAGE as WHOlio Gonzalez....



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He just loaded his gloves and still lost to guys the calibre of Daniel Santos.