If I'm annoying, it's only because you're taking yourself too seriously. Duran slowly rose to his peak in the 70s. He was beaten ONCE in the 70s, by an experienced fighter when Duran was 21 years old. Duran took the next two fights in the trilogy. Other than that, he was undefeated for the whole DECADE. He steamrolled competition at lightweight, junior welterweight, and welterweight. Ali had a great record in the 70s, but he lost to Frazier in the Fight of the Century, lost to Norton (The Battle of Broken Jaw---some believe he lost more than one of the trilogy), and lost to a 7-fight novice near the end of the decade---7 fights. Ali has a great record overall, but I would argue that his 70s record isn't as overall impressive as Duran's. It's not Ali's fault. He was at his physical peak in 1967, and his prime was stolen from him---but the question being asked is who was the best 70s fighter. To me, it's Duran.
Did Duran Reign Over THE BEST Lightweight Era EVER, Because Ali Most Certainly Reigned Over THE BEST Heavyweight Era EVER.... REED:kidcool:
Ah, so when it Suits DURAN'S CASE, it's about STYLE POINTS All of a Sudden???...Again, NO Fighter is Afforded EVERY SINGLE BENEFIT of the Doubt to the Degree that Roberto Duran is, Around this Place.... Men, Women & Children LITERALLY Had NIGHTMARES about George Foreman, Prior to Ali Beating him...The ONLY People that had Nightmares about Esteban Dejesus R those that Shared Dirty NEEDLES or Had UNPROTECTED SEX w/Him.... REED:mj:
Half that heavyweight era was in the 60s. If we were talking '65 to '75, there'd be no question. As it stands, he lost the Fight of the Century, lost to Norton (and got a gift for the second fight), and a 7-fight novice. Ali was done by '75. Duran just kept getting better during the 70s. It's a close one, but I think Duran edges the '70s.
In the 70's ALONE, Ali Beat Quarry (2x), Frazier (2x), Foreman, Bonavena, Ellis, Chuvalo, Foster, Norton, Lyle and Shavers....That's SUPERIOR to Duran's Lightweight Hitlist for the Same Decade, UNQUESTIONABLY....Fuuuuurthermore, it's NOT as if Duran Won a Title @ Any Other Weight Class in the 70's...Had he Done THAT, REED MIGHT See your Point.... REEDopcorn:
I dont see how being at worst the second or third fighter of the 1970s is some horrific insult to Ali that said, Buddy's descrition of the Foreman fight is MIND-NUMBINGLY IDIOTIC
Hardly. The '70s were a time of free love and unprotected sex. That's the problem: you and sly can't seem to focus solely on the '70s. Let's look at their title reign in the '70s. Ali: -Regained the title in 1974 at age 34. Held it 4 years in the '70s til he lost to Neon Leon. -notable victories: Foreman, Frazier in the rubber match, avenged loss to Norton by an iffy cunthair twice, Jimmy Young, and regained the title against 6-0-1 Spinks after looking like shit against him. Vacated it in '79. -Ali sat out the last year and a half of the decade. -defended the title 10 times Duran -won the title in '72 at age 21. Never lost it. Vacated it in '79. -notable victories: Buchanan, DeJesus twice (pre-AIDS as far as we know), Viruet, Lampkin (in a coma for a few days), undefeated Lou Bizzarro (now known as WHO?), Carlos Palomino. -defended the title 12 times. -kept winning through the '70s, closely losing only the first time as a 21-year-old against the more experienced DeJesus. Hey, if you want, we can stick in their first fight of the '80s to really get a sense of where they were at the end of the '70s. -Ali lost every round to Holmes while fucked up on thyroid medication and quit. -Duran won the welterweight title from Sugar Ray Leonard.
-Quarry lost because of a cut the first time. The second time you have a point. -Chuvalo had something like 20 losses by that point. -Norton whooped Ali's ass the first fight and probably deserved all three decisions. -Frazier whooped Ali's ass the first time and was already dog food in the rematches because of Foreman. -Leon Spinks took Ali's title. That should tell you how much Ali had left in '78.
Plus, we should remember that Ali only defended the title 10 times in the '70s because heavyweight champions don't get non-title fights. Do you really think Jean Pierre Crapman, Alfredo Evangelista, and Richard Dunn (like dinner) deserved to get title shots?
I am the first to say Ali is generally over-rated, & his standing & abilities exaggerated for effect (he & Robinson are probably the most over-rated pair in Boxing history --- even though both are deserving legends), but that is all pretty selective, Buddy. Cuts aren't a legitimate way to lose a Boxing match anymore, for instance?