Why is everybody complaining that UFC fighters are underpaid ?

Like any other for-profit business on earth. It's not a mystery.

 

Hopefully more go this route. Put the power back into the hands of the fighters.

 

Hey Hanzy.There a billion dollar company.Where's all the money going?

 

Like I said, the PPV providers take a big cut. The UFC does a ton of marketing. They are spending a ton of money trying to get MMA legalized in all 50 states. They are spending a ton of money trying to expand into other areas of the world like Europe, Australia and the Middle East.

I'm not sure how many employees the UFC as a company has, but I'm sure it's a lot. It takes more than Dana White and the Fertitta's to handle the day to day activities of a company that is trying to become global. There are salaries to be paid, health benefits, television equipment to buy, etc. They are branching out building UFC branded Dojo's.

Most people only see what's right in front of them and are unable to see everything else.

TFK

 

But Hanz, if there isn't a higher paying option for their skills, then that pay range becomes what the market is for their skills.

You absolutely can't compare it to boxing because that comparison doesn't give a fighter one ounce of leverage in an MMA contract negotiation.

And really, backalley? When Fedor turned down the UFC, did he end up in some backalley promotion. Because I could have sworn I saw him on network TV.

 

So do you agree or not that the UFC COULD be paying it's fighters more than they are?

Quit dancing around the issue by falling back on the "fighters agreed to a contract" crap. That's elementary school stuff right there. We all know the fighters sign contracts and agree on what they are getting paid. Also, like I've said before the endorsement deals are extra and not considered compensation by the UFC.

Maybe you weren't an MMA fan when Tito Ortiz bitched about his pay about 5 years ago. That's when the UFC "dirt" came out about them losing money in the past and paying back a 20 million dollar loan.

Since then the UFC has BOUGHT PRIDE and folded it up and expanded to 15 PPVs a year and average live monthly shows on two major cable networks. In addition they have two 10 week hourlong reality series a year and dozens of recap shows that run weekly in primetime.

Do you really think they are still in the red? Do you think the fighters get kickbacks for their fights being re-run. Please show me if they are because I really hope the fighters are being properly compensated. That's the issue here.

The bottom line is the UFC is short changing their fighters on many levels and while that may be smart business on their part, it's not on the fighter's part and hopefull some of them wise up.

 

And I think he made a little more than $3000.


TFK

 

Ding Ding Ding.

 

No one is arguing against any of that. Dana is running the UFC how he sees fit. You are making it sound like he's altruistic or something.::

The point I have been making is that on an individual event, boxers do much better than UFC fighters do. I believe the UFC could better compensate their fighters and still accomplish all of their goals.

If that's not the case then this cycle will continue in perpetuity with the explanation being "The UFC is trying to expand". I hope it doesn't.

 

It would be helpful if someone could post the pay per view sharing sytem the UFC uses with main event fighters. Right now all we have are estimates and hearsay.

 

You finally DO get it. That's what I've been saying all along.

You cannot blame a business for keeping their payroll as low as possible while still delivering a solid product.

That being said, entertainment is different than other businesses in the sense that that the employees have far more power in sports and entertainment.

People don't pay 50 bucks to simply watch MMA being practiced. They pay to see the top guys fight. That makes the fighters bigger than the sport and gives them tremendous power.

 

Why do you even care? It's no money in your pocket is it?

 

Humor me. As if you didn't know, this is a thread discussing UFC fighter pay. Why are you reading it if you don't want to contribute?

 

I "got it" from the beginning. You failed to argue against what I've been saying, which is that the UFC could afford to pay their fighters more.:doh:

You bring up entertainment and fighters have more power but you never said directly if you think they are properly compensated regardless of what figure they agreed to.

So I will ask you directly for the 3rd or 4th time: Do you think the UFC can afford to pay their fighters more????:dunno::doh:

 

The truth is that I don't know what they can afford. They are a privately held company and aren't obligated to share details.

My opinion is that they COULD afford to pay their fighters more just as ExxonMobil could afford to pay a refinery worker more.

But should they? Are they obligated to? Are they wrong for not? NO.

 

Do you think boxing pay per views are more profitable than MMA? There is a comparison that you are ignoring here.

 

Right but from the details that we know, and in comparison to another combat sport(boxing), the UFC is underpaying their fighters.

 

Why are you even comparing the two? There is zero connection between the two. Why aren't you asking if WWE PPV's or PPV movies are more profitable than MMA?

 

Right now who is better run and marketed, boxing as a whole or the UFC?


TFK

 

One could just as easily say....

TFK

 

lderhaps because they are combat sports?

 

I can't speak for boxing as a whole but I can indeed say that Mayweather vs De La Hoya was definitely marketed well. And plus the fact that boxing only has a couple of really big cards per year.

 

I think the UFC is better marketed and while that brings obvious expense, it doesn't negate the fact that they are viable and profitable. Let's not pretend that boxing promotions don't spend millions on advertising either.

As for saying boxers are overpaid, only a shill would go that route. Thanks for outing yourself yet again.

 

what are you talking about, there's a whole lot of fighters who complained about the pay but as the UFC are pretty much in a monopolistic situation, theirs not much they can do about it

 

Mayweather/Mosley:WHO R U PICKING?:laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

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I'm hardly a shill, I'm just not like you and others who claim to be MMA fans yet do nothing but dog the sport. But yet still watch every MMA show.

You remind me of so many sports fans that I see that claim to love their favorite team, but all they do is complain about them. It's like they're only happy when they're miserable about something.

I've laid it out in simple terms why the UFC pays like they do, and why they are right to do so. But I guess it's a lot more fun for some people to ignore common sense and just cry about things instead.

TFK

 

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LOL at Phil Baroni. A 13-12 fighter who hasn't been remotely relevant in years complaining that he's not making enough money.


TFK

 

I think he's mostly complaining on how he didn't made enough money,

And Baroni got good drawing power, and laugh what you want at him, but the UFC think he's still relevant enough to fight for them on the main card to boot