Why Jack Johnson Would Be King Today

dsimon writes:

Johnson is showing amazing grappling skills, He is not only controlling Burns from the grapple, but throwing accurate combos from inside a phone booth. His handspeed is phenoinal and his accuracy, as the slo mo shows you is incredible. Keep in mind he is throwing these punches from a position where most guys today cannot even fight from!!

Come on Alabama! Most guys today would get killed fighting Johnson from this distance. His footwork is so good that he never gets hit, his grappling skills are such that he makes Burns turn into his punches. You have to look carefully at the tape. The cosmetics are not the point it is the subtlety. Things like accuracy at a distance where most guys can hardly grapple.

Finally look at Johnson's Ju Jutsu. He never becomes unbalance and every time Burns tries to throw a punch Johnson has anticipated it with his footwork. That is a very high skill in unbalancing. Some of the Gracie guys can do it, it is very difficult. Try to imagine that you are setting up to puncha guy and as you throw the punch the guy moves in such a way that just with his footwork he has stopped you from punching, while you are trying to figure out what happened he hits you five times.

 

I don't know dsimon. I mean I can see what you're saying, but Jack Johnson just looks like a clumsy bum in that video. Maybe he's doing it as a strategy but David Haye would just punch him in the head and that would be that for Jack. :dunno:

 

dsimon writes:

Well looking at fights is like looking at a microscope. I can tell you that yu are looking at microbes of various sorts, but unless you know what you are looking at you won't see much of anything. You have to know the subtle things to look for that make a fighter truly deadly.

I doubt Haye would touch Johnson, I really do. :tease:

 

did you see those amazingly quick jabs by johnson? That inside work was amazing. Today's fighters would attack him differently, but Johnson looks like he could do whatever he wants in there. Pure skills and grapling. Look how he holds and hits the guy without getting hit. Geez, our modern day fighters would be murdered.

Cupey

 

perhaps the person in question wasn't competing against him in said race?

wow, your trivial knowledge is non-existent, and your logic is terrible.

just go die.

 

that last bit sounds alot like John Ruiz

 

dsimon writes:

If you look at the accuracy he gets while being in tight and he has no wasted motion. Its true that todays guys would attack differently but I agree that Johnson would handle em.

 

dsimon writes:

Ruiz holds and humps. Watch Johnson, he sets the guy up and tags him with shots and as soon as the guy backs away he opens up on him, Buyaa!!!

When Burns comes in he just positions himself right and shits burns down. Burns was a faitly good fighter by the standards of the day.

 

well said

 

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Yep, in today's time he would be a champ

 

dsimon writes:

He was tough.... nobody thought he would beat Johnson.

 

do you actually believe that?

 

Absolutely. Our best champion is Wladimir Klitschko. A guy that was KO'd by a part-time golfer hahahahahahahaha.

Cupey

 

Tommy Burns is 5'7 180lbs.

Corrie Sanders is 6'4 240.

Tommy Burns woudn't last 3 minutes with Klitschko, not in 100 tries

 

Mike Tyson is 5'10" In his Prime he KO's Klitschko in 2 rounds.

Not sure what you want to prove with height.

Cupey

 

5'10 220, with incredibly fast hands, and undeniably top 3 HW power all time.

he's closer to corrie Sanders than he is Tommy Burns.

Tommy Burns is a very small HW, he would make marciano look like a giant.

 

True, but even the great Joe Louis had problems with Billy Conn. Ali had problems with Joe Frazier. I'm sure the list goes on and on. Size shouldn't be a criteria here. What more do we know about Burns that we can conclude he would be destroyed by Wladimir?

Cupey

 

Let's face it, Ray Austin would have a very good chance at beating Jack Johnson by KO.

 

Let's face it, Kingfish Levinsky would KO Wladimir Klitschko

 

the size differences you noted....oh and Ali beat frazier two out of three times, and Louis KO'd Conn...the size wasn't much in those fights.

It was 20lbs, 6 inches...not a foot and 80lbs.

 

Maybe, but Joe Louis and Ali are light years above Klitschko in talent so they were able to overcome. Klitschko is terrible. Let's not forget that he was KO'd by Ross Purity, Sanders, and Lamon Brewster. So to think he would beat Jack Johnson is a far stretch from the imagination.

But anyway, maybe you need some Tracy Callis hahahahahah

http://fightbeat.com/judgejake/ba******.php

 

Joe Louis would have a good shot at being cruiserweight champ today (I think his technique was advanced enough to compete with modern day elite fighters).

But at heavyweight he would have some major problems with a guy like Wladimir, Vitali, or Lennox. He's just too small for those guys.

 

Joe Louis is a sucker for a right hand, which was mentioned in this article I believe.

Wlad Klitschko also holds an outrageous size advantage over Louis. I mean he is a beta, who is chinny, but he's also got absurd power, and Joe Louis does not have movement and would be an open target.

It wouldn't be pretty and I stand by that.

 

LOL. He wouldn't have the movement. When did Wlad become graceful? Geez, my grandma has better movement then he does.

John Ruiz has beat most of the heavyweights out there. What do you think of his technique? He's a pure grapler but that bum still wins. If that's what it takes to become a world champion, do you honestly think that these guys couldn't win? Think about that and then respond. If you are honest with yourself you will realize that Louis or any of these guys in the old days could have been champions today.

Cupey

 

Jess Willard woulda fucked Wlad up! :shit:

 

Insanity :eeeek: I seriously can't believe some of the people who think he could even compete here :doh: That lumbering uncoordinated poor defensive fool would get outpointed by club fighters :laughing: Jack Johnson, gtfoh....

 

dsimon writes:

That Johnson would be a champ? Thats actually a hard question to answer. Would johnson want to box, or fight MMA? Is another good question.

Johnson trained for a totally different sport. Johnson would absolutely suck as an Olympic fighter, most of his skills would not translate well. I don't think a 12 round head hunting contest is favorable fo JJ.

On the other hand he had the physical gifts of a Roy Jones and a brilliant mind, so its hard to say.

Ths sport has just changed so much, it isn't the same. A lot of Johnsons skills were in the stand up grappling that was part of the old way of fighting. If he got inside of any of the modern guys he would destroy them. But with guys squaring up now a days and refs stopping the action in close he would be at a disadvantage.

 

no no, cupey said Tommy Burns could be a champ today, which is completely false

 

dsimon writes:

Burns was actually a middle weight. So was Bob Fitzimmons.... a guy who could probably hit as hard as Tyson on a good day. Thing is that Burns and Fitz had to fight at heavy to really compete with any recognition.

 

Bob Fitzsimmons could not hit as hard as Mike Tyson, that is proposterous