Will Shane Mosley shock the world and KO Manny Pac?

What's all this zipping around the ring stuff? Pacquiao isn't Floyd Mayweather, he occasionally leaps out of range but more often than not he's there to be hit. Just look at his face after the fight with both the slow footed Cotto, and Margarito as both guys were able to land plenty of leather on him and he admitted to being hurt by Cotto and was visibly so by Margarito. There's absolutely no reason to outright dismiss a good boxer with extreme power like Tito other than hardcore fandom.

 

Have you seen his fights against the biggest men he fought, Oscar and Plasterito?

He was literally zipping around the ring strafing them from all angles.

You say Pacquiao isn't Mayweather as if Floyd does that but Manny doesn't ::

Genuine question lb4lb, have you seen either of them fight recently? I know you said you were busy with work etc so I'm just curious.

This isn't the 130 pound Floyd and featherweight Pacquiao we're talking. Both guys have changed significantly.

These days Manny is far more mobile than Floyd, in fact he probably has the fastest feet in boxing. Floyd has slowed down a lot, and is more Toney esque these days, staying in the pocket using excellent boxing skills and defense to avoid getting hit much.

Where as Pacquiao is the opposite. He is almost constantly moving, zipping in and out, moving side to side, darting around, confusing the opponent, turning them, and hitting them from all angles.

And yes I would completely and utterly dimiss Tito's chances, he'd be made to look like an amateur.

Good boxer?? :: ::

Check out his fights against Oscar, Winky and Nard for evidence of this good boxing ability.

 

Good post!

 

It's not remotely a good post.

While Floyd obviously has better defense, Pacquiao is significantly faster and more mobile these days, that's beyond argument.

He literally zips around the ring against larger foes, that's exactly what he'd do to plodding, lead footed Trinidad.

 

I was gonna write this long diatribe about how only a total buffoon would pick Mosley in this matchup, but I'm kinda over this whole arguing thing. Hex, buddy, give up on analyzing match-ups.

 

Come on Jaws, Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. :bears: This is boxing, ANYTHING can happen.

 

I am not a Pac fan whatsoever. Tito just has no chance in that fight.

 

First of all Roach would not allow Pac within 100 Feet of a prime Tito let alone in the ring with him.

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That would be for Tito's wellbeing...

 

:wack:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Roach asked Tito for a catchweight of 142. But Pac would beat him either way.

 

You might notice that every single guy in that highlight video is standing, stationary right in front of him. Just sayin'.

 

Seriously Hex, Pac would fuck him up

 

With today's crop of contenders, many safety-first fighters with carefully orchestrated boring careers, I find it hard to understand why people like to dig up Tito and criticize him. The guy moved up several divisions and fought all the best fighters, knocking out most of them and in virtually every fight giving his all to crush his competition. I wish there were a few like him around right now.

As far as his chances against virtually anyone, you have to look at him when he was an aggressive boxer/puncher who used the jab, constant head movement, and mixed up his punches better. I am not sure how everyone here sees Pac/DLH if it occurred during DLH's prime, but I'd wager that most would conclude he (DLH) would fare better than he did fighting Pac far removed from his prime. Well, Tito beat that DLH. If it makes you feel better, say DLH won the fight by a round, I don't care. Either way, this "plodding, slow, heavy-footed, one-punch fighter" BOXED with DLH for 12 long rounds and somehow didn't get blown out or knocked out. He won. And if it was 15 rounds, he'd have KO'd DLH, and most here know it.

In his prime Tito was a fighter who could hang with the best boxers in the world and remain competitive as long as it took to set up a fight-changing power shot. Whether you like him or hate him, that is the reality of his style. And that Tito is at least a live dog against just about anyone who ever laced em' up, Pac included.

 

DLH undressed and embarrassed Tito, he made him look like a bum. But he lacked the stamina to close the show.. Tito didn't win that fight, DLH lost it.

DLH in his prime might be a different story against Pac. Tito though? Pac fucks him up.

 

One of the most absurd statements I've read in a while.

"Prime" Tito simply mixed with inferior opposition. Not exactly hard to look like more of a boxer against people like Campas and Doo Doo Thiam.

The reality is actually that the Bernard fight was only 2 years after the Oscar fight (the one with the supposedly prime Tito), and Trinidad was actually under 30 and had really been in no wars and had taken minimal punishment, and by all accounts, kept in good condition outside of the ring. If that's not prime, I don't know what is.

It was the same Tito against Oscar, Bernard, and Winky. They just happened to be the 3 most skilled opponents of his career.

And no, Trinidad didn't really beat Oscar at all, that fight was a robbery. Tito won 4 rounds max. Oscar gave him a boxing lesson too.

Against Bernard and Wright, he got beaten in embarrassingly 1 sided fashion. Barely won a round.

The guy was a 1 dimensional plodder with an excellent left hook.

Basically a left hook with legs, who needed to set his feet to punch.

If his power couldn't make an impact on the fight, he was fucked. And it takes more than power to beat the likes of Pacquiao, especially when you have the footspeed of the average heavyweight, and need to set your feet to punch.

Tito is one of the 3 most overrated fighters of the modern era.

 

Lol Tito was great to watch but he was and apparently still is, hugely overrated. I couldn't believe some people had him as p4p #1 above RJJ back in the day, when it was so obvious he was going to lose very soon. Now people are saying he'd bash up Pac?! ::

 

Of the 9 rounds which Oscar actually deigned to try to win, Tito won 2, tops. He was flat-out outclassed.

 

Styles makes fights and Pac aint beating a prime Tito. Bernard Hopkins and Delahoya used masterful fight plans to outbox Felix. Manny Pac has shown no such execution is any of his fights. He likes to fight which in this fight gets him KTFO! Go ahead and make a poll, I guarantee you the majority of this forum will vote Tito Trinidad.

 

Pac's fast becoming a bit overrated as as a welterweight. We're beginning to forget how small he is and transfer the credit he deserves for beating bigger guys tinto unadulterated credit as a great welterweight.

I'd favour him over Tito based purely on the VAST disparity in foot and setting speed, but it's a 60/40 type affair, not a joke fight.

 

Pac fought Oscar very cautiously at the start of that fight until it dawned on him he could do as he pleased.

 

When Tito fought Hops, people were already talking about how he was going to move up to 168 and fight RJJ after he beat Hops (like it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to beat Hopkins). At the Hopkins fight, Trinidiots were waving signs that said "ROY JONES, YOU'RE NEXT!"

All pretty funny in retrospect. Can you imagine what a massacre Trinidad vs Jones Jr at 168 would've been?

 

Yeah he is fucking small at 147. But solid enough world level welterweights like Clottey, and even proven world class welterweights like Cotto have been slapped around like heavybags.

I see it as more like a 99/1 type of affair.

Pacquiao is a horrible style match up for Tito, plus just a far, far superior fighter. Tito really needs to be set to punch, even more than someone like Tua, and Pacquiao is more mobile and unpredictable than anyone Trinidad has faced.

Honestly Trinidad would not even do as well as Plasterito, because he's not as aggressive or brave.

Plus it's not like Tito is Julian Jackson. Legit heavy hands at welterweight, but it's not like he was knocking everyone out cold with 1 punch, and Pacquiao's chin is solid.

Trinidad would also find it almost impossible to land a meaty hook on Pacquiao, because of how set his feet need to be.

 

Still, IMO of course, Trinidad was much better at welterweight than Clottey and Cotto. I'd say Tito/Pac is a closer, more competitve fight than you think.

 

:laughing:

 

Bet on Shane to win by KO or take the over

 

I agree w/ his assessment, Trinidad never fought like Margarito and wouldn't do as well as Margarito as a result. Styles make fights, Tito is tailor made for Pac to take out.

I'm glad nobody disputed Duran and Floyd beating Tito, at least. That would be even more ridiculous.

 

Excellent post! :Thumbs:

 

I remember a well known boxing publication (the Ring, maybe?) doing a spread on Tito, and predicted he would walk through Hopkins and smash him up, before winning a decision against Roy due to his underrated jab... ::

 

Frankly, Margarito has better wins than Tito at welterweight.