Will there ever be another Roy Jones Jr?

It's funny... if Roy retires after the first Tarver fight, he's the poster boy for finding a way to win when his speed and reflexes disappeared.

 

Yes, because narrowly decisioning Tarver beats KOing Foreman, or anything else Ali did post-1973.

Jones is the poster boy for what it means to be a modern-day fighter. Minimal risk, maximum gain, with legacy a mere after-thought.

 

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but that would be his rep.

 

Only to the uneducated.

 

Yes, in todays game, where single fights can be wrapped in a certain way to give off a certain odour.

True Roy is a little piece of Todays Roy, and a little piece of Yesterdays Roy.

People think the modern athlete is progressing. He's not. He's just being given a better chance to express his "talents".

When you look at a guy with 200 fights, you have to ask yourself how many of those nights was he 100%.

Todays dude is coming into fights as good as he can.

Back then guys were fighting with busted vertebrae, bad hands and wrists, fighting for their expenses etc.

 

Agree with all of this. Essentially two different sports. Impossible to compare.

 

It would be great if we could see another Roy jones, Tyson, robinson or hamed on the boxing scene. I'm keeping the faith we will.

 

Excellently put.

 

People like Jake LaMotta must wonder about things.....he fought Ray Robinson then fought him again a few weeks later.

It is as s_d says, a different sport.

We can't even get Floyd and Pac to fight, never mind do it all again a few weeks later.

Yet we here this word..."E-Lite fighter, E-Lite athlete" bandied about all the time.

Goosen referred to Arreola as an "E-Lite Athlete"....and then quickly added he needed more than a few weeks to get ready for a fight.

Compare that to Randy Turpin, with one working eye, doing his roadwork on the deck of the ocean liner that was taking him to the USA to rematch Ray Leonard only weeks after he had already beaten Ray.

How good would Roy look if he had been bashed up in a bruising 15 rounder by some no-name, desperate-dan fighter who had bet on himself to win.....and then had to do it all again in one month??

My intuition suggests he would have been pretty tired and worn down.

Hell Marciano retired because his training sessions were aggravating a back injury. His training sessions.

I'm not saying that we need to return to this, in fact its impossible in any case, but todays guys are full of shit.

 

We might be looking at those fighters right now. The question is do we have the sort of people who can bring them along, keep them interested, keep them sharp, provide nemesis for them and cultivate them into stars?

Frank Warren, or all his flaws, cultivated Hamed into a major star. He had him beating up Argie Roadsweepers, gradually building up the show, into the Robinson fight, then the American debut, with lots of neat, handy unifications along the way. First thing Hamed did when he got a chance? Fire his trainer, get rid of Warren, and then get beaten up by Barrera.

Ricky Hatton was brought along masterfully by Warren. But Ricky wanted to get drunk and win titles at 147.

Same with Amir Khan. Khan blames Warren for Prescott but Khan was already calling the shots by that stage, firing his trainer.

Obviously, we can't go back to the Blinky Palermo times, but there is a fine line between an abused, ripped-off fighter, and a fat, soft lazy bum who thinks he knows it all.

 

Every one of those guys was extremely talented. Just because a lot of people don't rank them along with Jones doesn't mean they're worthless neanderthals. 95% of people who know anything about boxing would also rank that same list of guys you mentioned as GREATER than Roy.

I'm one.

Talent however is something different. It's not a purely measurable quantity. It's sometimes when you see an individual pull off moves that nobody else can do. You can't teach innovation or unorthodoxy and make it effective, even in sports.

It's not just boxing. Len Bias was considered one of the most talented basketball players scouts had ever seen. He didn't play a single professional game.

He could have been an all time great or a complete and total bust. Nobody will even know but his talent was never in question.

 

As I say, you make all of that a reality for Jones, and the simple truth is this thread doesnt get made.

 

will there be another cdogg?
probably not
dropped Benny Hill with a body shot

 

Not even close

Roy did stuff Floyd could only dream of

 

True but I never saw Roy have a conversation with the announcers while beating the shit out of a dude in a title fight.

 

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That takes TALENT my man. RAW UNADULTERATED TALENT!

 

Roy did the same thing Floyd did. REED and Musze will provide the details.

How much talent it requires i don't care to even talk about but Floyd was no pioneer in that regard.

 

Leonard wouldn't have time to do that vs. Brusseles. He'd be too busy trying to knock poor Henry out.

 

How true.

 

IMO Very few fighters if any in the HISTORY of the sport that could have beten a prime RJ.

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I agree, Hex. VERY few.

 

Roy threw a chicken wing punch to KO Glen Kelly...

Floyd threw a chicken shit punch to KO Victor Ortiz...

The same but not quite.

 

the notion of "most talented" is very fucking overrated... there are loads of incredbly talented guys who do NOTHING with it... Kirkland Laing was talented as fuck, at the end of the day it's what you do with it

To me, this is just Sly trying to come up with some way of making Roy or FLoyd or whomever he loves the GOAT, by essentially eliminating about 90% of the qualities that make great fighters and distilling it all down to some long-jump competition

I'd wager that Michael Grant was a far more talented athlete than Bob Foster... but what the fuck good is that? One guy is one of the most dominant fighters in the history of the sport... the other is nothing more than an also-ran

 

:giggle: nice.

I'm a bigger fan of Roy (Prime) than i am of Mayweather..btw..

 

You have a WARPED view of what talented means. that's all.
We're not merely talking about Athleticism. If that were the case..Michael Jordan is more talented than EVERY SINGLE BOXER.

Be reasonable...motherfucker.

 

Jones was talented because of what he could do in the ring. Hit and not get hit. Outspeed, outmanoeuvre, outlast, overpower..blah blah blah.

You don't have to have fucking life and death fights, get your retina detached, lose to a lightweight etc to prove talent.

Some of your fuckers are so annoying it's unbelievable.

(Not you Steve_Dave...you're hard as fuck!)

 

Thanks man :bears:

 

And once Floyd loses two three four fights you'll turn your back on him as well and will be "on to the next one."

X - founder of the Roy Jones Sellout Foundation

Sly - VP, Treasurer and Media Consultant

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