Williams-Cintron in February

ummm... NO!

 

Funny how Margarito never got any credit for beating Cintron and taking on Williams, but suddenly the winner of Williams/Cintron is a big player. :kick:

 

When Williams wins this fight (notice "when", not "if"), he should be considered a fringe contender for Floyd's undisputed, linear, true world welterweight championship.
But Floyd's schedule is too busy nowaday to accomodate the fringe contenders.
right now, Floyd is preparing to defeat the undisputed, linear, true world junior-welterweight champion.
After he's done humiliating Zoo's daddy, there's a strong, brilliant, young, undefeated champion in Juan "The Baby Bull" Diaz, who craves Floyd's fame, money and fortune.
So, after Hatton, Floyd will probably take on Diaz-Packqiao winner, and after that, Floyd will need some well-deserved rest.
By the time Floyd's ready to beat down contenders and pretenders for his 147 lbs crowd, Williams will probably be fighting at middleweight. So, I don't see Floyd fighting Williams...
Too bad, it would be a close fight....

 

ah, paving the way ahead of time for PBF to once again duck the top competition in his weight class. so when PBF looks to 135 for his next opponent, and ignores the likes of Williams, Margarito and Cintron, you'll have already begun weaving your tapestry of lies and deceit in the name of defending his shameless running - using as always false and meaningless arguments like, "linear," p4p, undisputed, etc.

we know what PBF is capable of. consequently, we know what constitutes major threats to his undefeated record. so all the rationalizing in the world on your part isn't going to convince us that Margarito isn't a bigger threat to PBF than anyone at 140 or below.

 

Margarito got credit for beating Cintron. He just didn't do anything for the next year and a half. By the time anyone saw him again, he was struggling to get past Clottey.

He got credit for taking on Williams, especially when he could've easily opted for Cotto. But beyond that, how much credit does he deserve for losing the fight? (and whining about the decision afterward)

 

I think Cintron's truly a case where it's mind over matter. If his mind is right, I don't think his chin is an issue.

Going into the Margarito fight, I'm sure his mind was full of doubt. He'd been out of the ring and coming off hand surgery. The minute he saw Margarito wasn't going anywhere after taking his best shots, he mentally caved in. Even if you look at the knockdowns and the stoppage, it wasn't as much as he was badly stunned...he was confused, a little hurt and out of answers.

Cintron's had several confidence building fights and when you add to the equation the months in camp he's had with Steward, Taylor, Andy Lee and Wlad it all leads to a more confident fighter.

Mind you, I don't think Cintron is great, I just think that little of Williams. I don't think Williams has enough pop to truly hurt Kermit and even if he does, I don't think he'll keep Kermit down.

The bottom line, I don't think Williams brings enough power, pressure or physical intimidation to the table to cause Kermit to slip into the pre-Margarito haze he was in.

I like Kermit BIG in this one.

 

Please show me one place where I used "P4P" argument in my previous post. :dunno:
If you can't show me that place (and you won't be able to), your reputation as a liar will be confirmed.
As to "meaningless" linear and undisputed titles......
Since when beating the man who beat the man who beat the man is meaningless?
That's every fighter's dream...to beat THE Champ....not some WBO holder, or WBA interim guy...
But THE Champ......
You, of course, do recognize Floyd's undisputed, linear, true championship at 147?

 

I recognize that PBF has cherry picked his way through opponents since leaving 135. anyone who denies that is an idiot.

 

Before we proceed with that line of reasoning, you're yet to do two things:
1) Provide a quote from my post, where I said anything about P4P.
2) Answer the question of whether or not you recognize that Floyd is undisputed, true, linear, recognized champion at 147.
Thank you.

 

This part, I agree with 100%. Granted, I'm still not sold that Kermit beats Margarito even now, but I do believe he'd fare far better. I do remember a couple of weeks before the fight, Marshall Kaufmann (his then trainer and co-manager) hated that they were going through with the fight without getting in that February tune-up.

I'm not sure Manny's bringing out anything different in him, technique-wise. Personally, I see the same fighter, just more confident. But you're right in that being surrounded by better fighters (esp. someone like Andy Lee, a promising prospect who continues to improve AND remains hungry) makes all the difference in the world.

I'm still undecided on this. I think Williams is good, not great, whereas your hate runs deeper :: , but so far, all of the fighters Kermit is tearing through (including the one coming up next month) have been made to order. Williams is kind of basic, he's active as hell, but looks like he's doing pad drills when matched against guys he can't get rid of in a hurry. But he is a much better boxer than anyone else Kermit's ever faced.

 

I favor Williams in this one.

 

First of all. I don't think anyone provided a source for this supposed fight.

Second of all, I could have sworn Team Cintron already turned down a fight with Williams.

Thirdly, Boxingtalk just made mention of Paul Williams making a defense of his title in February and didn't say a damn thing about Cintron being his opponent.

Gentlemen, I think we've been had.

 

I asked for a source as far back as page 2, but noooooo ::

 

b-scene says a deal was reached for Feb 2 on HBO.

 

I like Williams via late stoppage on accumulation here.

Cintron will always be dangerous, but the moment he sees Williams not caving in so easily, bit by bit he'll fold under the pressure. And Cintron needs DISTANCE to get maximum leverage and power on his shots. Williams won't allow that. He'll stuff up the punches at close range where Cintron to me is rather ineffective, and gradually wear down Kermit.


Williams TKO 11

 

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By Matt Goldstein

February Bout Slated for HBO

</td></tr><tr><td style="padding-right: 20px;" bgcolor="#f5f5f5" valign="top">BREAKING NEWS: WBO welterweight champion Paul Williams and IBF welterwight champion Kermit Cintron have come to terms for a February bout on HBO. Cintron is scheduled to fight Jesse Feliciano on the undercard of Vargas-Mayroga and must be successful for the Williams unification bout to take place. Williams is 33-0 with 24 knockouts and coming off of an impressive, entertaining fight against Antonio Margarito. Kermit Cintron is 28-1 with 26 knockouts and coming off a devastating knockout win over Walter Mattysse.

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GREAT!!! :clap:

then Maybe Cotto vs. De La Hoya in May....or if Mosley wins..then Mosley vs. Mayweather in September...

 

just once, I would like to see them post an article or news brief free of typos.

but more importantly, glad to hear this fight is closer than ever to being a done deal

 

where's the typo? i don't see it. :dunno:

 

welterwight

 

ah. found it.

 

Mayroga

 

yep.

Mayroga

 

Mattysse

 

Massive props to Williams, as stylistically, I think Cintron is perhaps the most dangerous threat to him at Welterweight being the hardest hitting and physically much larger than Margarito is, Paul wont have too much of an advantage in height and overall size, so this once again confirms that Williams certainly aint no cautious bitch fighter, he's confidently taking all the dangerous welterweights head on, and deserves some refreshing accolades for it :bears: , it makes me glad that Fraud has fucked off from the welterweight scene.

 

Glad its official. I heard from some people that this fight was happening. Looks like another whupping for Cintron.

 

I'm picking Williams by unanimous decision, and a very entertaining fight.

The split on the Williams scene is incredible IMO. He can't possibly be as good OR as bad as I've heard him described on this board. He is a volume puncher, and does it at any distance, vulnerable to being hit (which is good for Cintron) but does not rest for more than a round (which is INCREDIBLY bad for Cintron). I think this'll be a case where Cintron will hurt him early, then fall in love with his own power and look to find that same sweet spot kind of punch while losing a majority of the rounds being pitty-patted...AND surprisingly (to some) stunned/wobbly by the end of the fight.

 

Dont trash boxwingtalk.coms

 

Well put MWS, did everyone forget the amount of punishment Williams took from Margarito? He took alot of bombs well. Sure Cintron is a big puncher, so theres always a chance of a KO. Is it because Williams is tall and skinny so he must have a shakey beard? Im yet to see anything that suggests this.