Witter good Hatton bad

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That sounds so ridiculous.

 

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He would still sodomize Witter though. He would dry hump him to death. ::

 

couldn't he fight Corley or something at least

 

This guy lost a decision to Holt but beat N'Dou. He's hardly a total scrub.

 

i think he would whup witter.. he is a uber bum

 

Corley isn't shit nowadays..

 

"Hlatschwayo...yeah, I saw him lose to Kendall Holt so he must suck."

Same dipshits who would say that Nate Campbell would be a great comeback fight for Hatton.

Personally, I think Hatton matches up well with Hlatschwayo, but I still would have chosen someone quite a bit worse for a comeback fight.

 

.....yeh and? :dunno: corley is a respectable tune up fight......not like this scrub he's found

 

and Corley hasn't won a fight since 2005...and just a few weeks/months ago he lose to a 13-0 prospect....pretty much EVERY ROUND....

 

This question can be used to belittle many fighters. It's better to focus on what fighters were around at the time then to obsess over primes.

 

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Seriously, Hlatschwayo is quite a bit better than Corley at this point.

 

My sentiments exactly...

 

You're damn fucking right it does :clap:

The very fact that I even had to argue this point with anyone shows the level of boxing 'knowledge' of some people in this forum...:notallthere:

 

Some fighter's react differently to a loss...

Hatton lost BADLY in his last fight- he got bounced off the turnbuckle FFS! I'd imagine that's gonna have a pretty profound mental effect on a fighter, especially one who has only even been KD once before in his (hithero unbeaten) career.

As Tam rightly points out, if Floyd offered Hatton a rematch next week, I'd reckon he'd take it without second though (notwithstanding that he'd start something like a 16-1 underdog and would have almost no chance of winning). You have to bear this in mind here when looking at your comparisons- Mosely was never anything like that sort of dog in any rematch, and neither is Taylor against Kelly. Both of those guys will have though, with genuine reason, that they could avenge their losses. Hatton would be deluded to think that this is the case for him... :nono:

As for Zab...if the fight was at 140, I'd pick Ricky to win easily against what is left of Judah, and I take your point about him being a 'name' and all, but realistically, you know as well as I do that if Hatton took that fight, he'd be accused (again) of fighting shot fighters, trying to make money instead of taking 'important' fights, avoiding Witter and Paulie etc...

So what would be the point? :dunno:

A tune up, one more if needed and then Witter. After that, he is done and can go and count his money, a decent legacy secured. Anything else, and there will always be question marks.

 

at 140.. Zab SHOULD lose to Hatton.. but who knows... he could just starch Ricky in the first.. Zab is usually pretty quick and dangerous for the first few rounds and he might be too much for Hatton's bitch ass now

 

Floyd fights one of the best fights of his career, gets convenient and inappropriate help from the ref early in the fight when it mattered, and scores a fluke ko and now Hatton has no chance against him?

It's like people's memories and experiences are limited to 15 minutes. If you have ever participated in one-on-one sports (or team sports, for that matter), you know that a dominant result in one match doesn't mean that a rematch will be similar.

And when you are dealing with people/teams at the level of Hatton (or dlh), it's even moreso the truth.

Of course Hatton would take an immediate rematch. Who wouldn't? Should he? For most fighters, it isn't a good idea in this situation if he wants to win.

Of course people aren't interested in seeing an immediate Hatton/Floyd rematch. I'm not either. But (and this has been said before) Hatton only needs a good win or two to get right back to the top of the list.

 

All correct.

Hatton cannot operate at the highest echelons at 147. If the fight was at 140, I'd still pick Floyd, but Hatton would be a much more live dog. At 147, a rematch would turn out almost exactly the same.

Even when Hatton did get inside and Cortez wasn't ruining matters, Floyd was better inside and stronger too.

 

U're BEATING this Point like a Dead Horse, yet U still HAVEN'T Explained how 7 LBs is THAT MUCH Of a Factor vs a Guy who ISN'T a Natural Welter Either...


REED

 

:dunno::dunno: Really, I don't see what's flukish about that KO.

 

It's just one of those things that can't really be explained. Some people like Duran, could be effective at more than just 1 weight class up. Hatton is not one of them.

Floyd has proved to be effective at higher weights, partly due to style, but more due to I don't know what ::

It's safe to say though after Collazo and Floyd, Hatton REALLY isn't designed for 147. Even his stamina looks a fair bit worse.

 

Yes I have. Many times.

Floyd is much better able to adapt because his main weapons are speed, reflexes and general boxing skills overall. These can be carried much more easily across weight limits- a very highly skilled man at lightweight will still be fundamentally very skilled at Welter (though they usually lose a small amount in power). He (Floyd) has a much higher skill set than Hatton, whose primary, perhaps only weaponry are his quick hands/feet, his chin and his strength/power when fighting inside.

When Hatton fights inside against smaller, 140 guys, he can bully them ala Tszyu- namely his game plan is ALWAYS to walk guys down, eat shots on the way in because 140lb-ers are largely unable to hurt his chin (only one KD at 140) and then lean on them/work inside to outwork opponents and break them down.

He cannot do this at 147, because:

1. His ability to absorb punches is markedly decreased (Floyd bounced him around and even Collazo was very close to KO-ing Hatton in the 12th. Neither are known 'punchers' at 147) so he can't just march in through shots to get inside.

2. Even if/when he gets there, his strength advantage is tiny/non-existent. Top guys at 147 are much stronger than the guys Hatton fought/fights at 140, and so he cannot bully them around inside as he likes to do. Again, Mayweather wouldn't list his 'strength inside' as one of his greatest attributes if he was honest, but he was much stronger than Ricky when Cortez let them fight at close quarters.

3. If Hatton cannot walk through shots and he cannot outwork his man inside, he has very few weapons left. In fact, all he has is quick hands, which at 147 give him an advantage early (KD Collazo Round 1 and rocking Floyd back in the first minute of their fight) but as the fight goes on he slows down/his opponents adapt and he is left leaping at his opponent throwing wild left hooks. Collazo almost made him pay for this limitation. Floyd did.

Note how NONE of this has anything to do with Floyd? It is simply because Hatton is once of those guys who cannot move from his normal fighting weight with any great effect. That doesn't take away anything from Floyd's win. It just goes to show that Hatton is not the elite Welter that his fans/he himself would have liked to have believed he should and would be.

MTF

 

Thank Christ for that- I really was starting to think that I was the only person here who can see what is BLATANTLY obvious... :clap:

 

But Duran BEAT Guys like Leonard, Palomino, Moore, Barkley,etc. @ THEIR Best Weights...

N those Cases, Obviously, Weight DIDN'T Matter...

N the Case of Hatton, he Got DOMINATED @ 147 by a Guy who ISN'T a Natural 147 lb'der Either...So HOW is the 7 lbs RELEVANT as it Pertains to Floyd vs. Hatton???:dunno: ...

REED Understands that Certain Fighters CAN'T Fight as Effectively @ Higher Weights Against Guys a Mere Weight Class Bigger...But Floyd Mayweather ISN'T Bigger than Hatton...

7 Lbs DOESN'T Make Floyd-Hatton ANY DIFFERENT:nono: ...


REED

 

Floyd did not win on a fluke KO..

I bet if they fought 10 times Floyd wins 10 times..

Hatton was the one that benfited from the ref not Floyd

Floyd took his heart and bullied a bully then Knocked him the F out

 

Apparently Hatton is fighting Witters sons son

I've been hearing that hatton is indeed NOT fighting hltswayo and instead fighting Witters sons son... Lazcano.

I hope this is not true but I have been hearing SERIOUS rumours about it.

:laughing:

 

You're already flogging yourself over the idea of it.

 

Thats right. Jimmy Wilde used to beat guys who were 20lbs heavier than him, but that didn't make him a natural bantamweight. He was still just a flyweight who could beat guys above him.

Clearly, Floyds naturally larger frame and greater skills have made 147 less of a drag for him, than it has for Hatton. You can beat it to death that Floyd is not a natural 147lbr but.......

1. He has acclimatised to the weight over time, a task made easier by not really spending a whole lot of time at 140 and concerning himself more with 147.

2. He is naturally bigger....I think his neck was the only part of him which was smaller.

3. He has greater skills which help offset weight issues, and always have.

Whatever comfort level Floyd enjoys at 147, Hatton enjoys even less of it.

 

It's pretty simple. Floyd can fight effectively above 140 pounds. Hatton cannot. Fighting at 140 would make little, if any difference in a matchup between the two.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

 

Yes, it's that simple :bears: