Witter good Hatton bad

When you poor your heart and sould into your craft and leave everything you have and expect to succeed and then you get bounced off the turnbuckle there's nothing wrong with crying. Losing sucks and if a warrior feels the need to cry then he has earned that right. Just my thoughts. I'll Holla 5000

 

I actually respect Hatton for admitting this.

 

He's lucky his head bounced off the turnbuckle or he'd have crashed onto the floor somewhere, Hatton DOES deserve salt in his wounds from Fraud's racist groupies, as he took alot of pre-emptive pot-shots at Fraud, and did the direct opposite to establishing a fight with him, Hatton just wanted to milk his contract rather than "serve me loyal fans" by shooting for the best. Why did he turn Fraud down the first time?..it's the fight we all wanted to see? :dunno:.. if he didnt want the fight, why all the taunting? ...'good guys' dont do that? :dunno: ..instead, he damn well INSISTED we see him and Arturo Gatti in a "superfight" ,..but thank fuck Scrubdomir beat him to it,.. Hatton is as two-faced as they come.

 

Constantly crying is one thing you should probably keep to yourself, though. He should apologize to Mayweather for thinking that he belonged in the same ring as Him.

 

:nono:

 

I cried when I had the Celtics Cavs under 191 and the score was 90-90 at the end of regulation. So sad....
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MARYJANE

 

:bears:

except for Xplosive. His tears can cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

 

dsimon writes:

Nah. You know a wise old boxing sage once said after La Motta won one against RR "La Motta was never, could never be better than Robinson, but he only has to be good enough to beat him." He might have said that every dog has his day as well and that revisionist history tends to look back affectionately at the Ricky Hattons, the La Motta's, the Galento's of the boXing world. And that is a good thing.

These guys are the canvas that the sugar men paint upon (leonard, Robinson and Mayweather, etc) they are the part of the story that is about ugliness, brutality, willpower, hatred and anything else that would make a man keep going after getting hit by one of the greats. But we seem to realize as a society this truth.... while we argue about whether our latest native son is a great un (Mayweather presently) we know that men like Hatton La Motta, Galento were not ugly, hideous, or bad... NO! they were simply the No Player, the actor playing Ceaser's killer, the ones invested in telling the side of the story that belongs to the tin man!

I fear for Floyd. I think he is a good kid but with a heavy burden indeed. Greatness is not easy and in the present it is never great enough! When Floyd celebrates he has waited in vain for Merchant simply to smile and say well done, I don't think that is too much to ask. It was the same with Ali who had to begrudgenly win the approbration of Cosell after every fight. But we will aways have a fondness for the guy who leaves it in the ring and can be seen the next day in the pub, from the Jersey inlands across the pond to the Manchester pubs, everybody will know where to find Rickey and Gatti as they knew where to find to tun toney!

Long after Floyd is talking to the proverbial skull, like the most ambitious Danish prince was, people will be more than happy to toast it up with Rickey.

Roger Mayweather, a man who is wise beyond his shenanigans, in much the same way that other Michigan native, James Toney is, might well be the one to reveal the truth to Pretty Boy... Roger has earned that honor after all.

I can picture Roger speaking slowly " See Floyd America is a country where Bush was elected cause people can relate to him... him being a simpleton and all. America fears greatness like the French fear mediocrity from their public intellectuals (go Roger!). And though you may clean the stables of Aesop's it will only be later son, later down the road that one can get the approval of the envious ones with schadenfreud and a memory that easily turn pigeons into eagles.

 

You are a poet DSimon. A little pretentious near the end but you have the makings of the next W.C. Heinz. :clap:

 

Well, Hatton may feel like a woman now but at least he fought like a man unlike that turd Witter against Zab. Witter was turned into a woman in the ring by the great Zab.

 

Putting Hatton and Galento next to LaMotta's pretty fucking disgusting. LaMotta had a great jab, a very good defense, great accuracy, and phenomenal punch output and one of the greatest chins of all time. A lot of people who saw all six Robinson-LaMotta bouts say that LaMotta won half of them. I mean, look at the fighters he beat:

• Sugar Ray Robinson
• Marcel Cerdan
• Laurent Dauthuille
• Tommy Yarosz
• Tony Janiro
• Bob Satterfield
• Holman Williams
• Jose Basora
• Bert Lytell
• Fritzie Zivic

 

...Whilst Junior continues to fight in Leisure Centres, huh?

How is your ass, anyway Attraction? Is Witter using more Vaseline now? :dunno:

 

yeah wtf, Dsimon??? :dunno: LaMotta is an all time great and even Hatton is still a class above No Talento! :kick:

 

dsimon writes:

The disparity you speak of in talent is valid Rubio but I stand by the fact that the struggle is similar and that the perception is similar of a fighter like La Motta and the rest of the guys mentioned.

 

No. LaMotta's win(s) over Sugar Ray Robinson were more like Vernon Forrest's wins over Sugar Shane Mosley. Straight punches, heart and volume punching beat talent all the time. Galento and Hatton really only had heart, and Hatton didn't even have too much of that. LaMotta peppered Robinson with the jab even though Robinson held a huge reach advantage. That doesn't happen by accident. LaMotta was a very skilled fighter, nothing like Galento or Hatton.

 

dsimon writes:

Thanks Noble! I was reading bout Toney and his training habits. Him and the babe... Hot dogs and beer.

 

Hatton has been crying because he is drunk. There's nothing woring with crying when you're drunk. Alcohol makes people emotional.

 

dsimon writes:

Im with the Stinger in thinking that while Galento was no La Motta he was deceptively skilled in the ring. Hatton may prove to be better but lets see what Ricky does now. Galento actually ran up a little string (after retiring) after he got beat by Louis. He also KO'ed the infallibel Lou, I am a Yoga Swami, Nova. ::

 

dsimon writes:

I just said that the difference in talent you mentioned was correct. :: I agreed with you on that point ya pinhead! ::

 

i'm sure that's a fake article

 

Crying is never okay, especially when you're drunk. Mayweather, Ghandi and Jesus get away with it because they're exceptional people, ubermen.

The only time when it's okay for a regular guy to cry is when he's making an emotional breakthrough, like remembering that he was raped as a kid or engaging the possibility of solipsism. I mean, being drunk is a decent excuse for something like a grammar error, or fucking a fat chick, not crying or fucking a transsexual. Unless she's from Thailand or Brazil, of course. Then it's okay if you're sober.

Robinson was never an overriding favorite against LaMotta the way Mayweather was against Hatton or Louis was against Galento. In fact, I'd argue that the major reason Robinson won the first fight with LaMotta was because he psyched him out, the way Duran did against Leonard, or Leonard did in the rematch. They were evenly matched fighters.

 

Classic stuff.

 

You read that in "Dark Trade"?

 

was it good noble?

I have it and started it a LONG time ago and never picked it back up. is it worth the read?

 

I'm glad Hatton is traumatized.. he is a racist and talked a lot of trash and he got delt with

 

i find it funny that the british press were praising floyd after he beat hatton like you wouldnt believe. the general public hate floyd but the press didnt unless you read the sun.

 

they should praise Floyd..

he was bad mouthed, mocked and talked down to the whole build up.. even before that Ricky was talking trash about Floyd..

Rickey got his drinking racists ass SCHOOLED!

 

It's a great book LOK. I usually prefer reading about the old-timers but I feel comfortable saying this is the best boxing book I've ever read.

It covers the mid-80's to early-90's versions of Toney, RJJ, Gerald McLellan, Hamed, Tyson, Eubank and others.

Great writing from the South African, Donald McRae who visited the training camps and travelled with many of these guys. The best parts were the sections about James Toney.

 

It's definitely worth the read.

 

What is the name of that book?