Wlad resume vs Lewis resume

It evidences Klitschko's complete lack of confidence in opening up.

Can't imagine that would suddenly improve with Holyfield assaulting him. Let's be honest --- Klitschko would willingly win a decision against any Holyfield, no matter how old. That's the best possible result, even if Holyfield is 100 years old.

Klitschko has zero credentials for killer instinct.

 

It was typical, only in the sense that amateur boxing is dogged by amateurish officiating, & poor stoppages are unfortunately frequent.

I thought it was terrible. Lewis was gifted that medal.

 

All true, but isn't decision victory as worthy as a KO? Wlad would definitely go for the decision and with that jab and cross, he might get it. It would be hell for Holyfield try to get close

 

I may have mentioned this before, but amateur boxing is gayer than Tennis.:shit:

 

Sure, it's as worthy. That's not in dispute. I'm disputing this idea Klitschko, "kills" Holyfield on Night X (Some of which occurred in or near Holyfield's prime). It isn't happening.

 

Early stoppage or not, Lewis whipped him...watch their second round again, left hook, right hand...Bowe was getting beat.

 

Oh, ok. My bad

 

48 ko's in 54 wins and 57 fights. Zero credentials.

 

How did he whip him? He got himself momentarily on top in the fight (as Bowe had done in round one, incidentally) & then it's all over?

There was no whipping. Just two good combinations, & game over. It was just awful in my view.

 

Yes. Zero. For Klitschko, life beyond the numbers is pretty miserable reading, in this particular regard.

Let's glance at the full picture, too. How many people, "killed" Holyfield, at any point? How many blew him out early? How many stopped him?

 

He was put against the ropes earlier in the round, the right/left that did bring about the finish did hurt him...both times, Lewis was interrupted by the referee.

 

You are confusing Holyfield's great credentials for not getting killed and Klitschko's very good credentials for killing people.

However, Bowe did it once and Wlad could do it, too. I think the most likely outcome is Wlad boxing the piss out of any version of Holyfield and winning by decision, but Wlad via stoppage is far from a zero possibility.

 

I didn't characterize them. In fact, in another post, I explicitly stated that I wanted to avoid discussing them for fear of not giving them the review they warranted.

 

Once again your infuriating inability to read what is not written has risen to the surface.

The point which was made was that Holyfield had, on multiple occasions in his prime, some decidedly average performances against some decidedly average fighters, and against some decidedly good fighters.

The point was fleshed out further to the extent that I politely requested people to consider whether it was so beyond the realm of possibility that Klitschko, who has at either end of his career shown fight ending power and genuine boxing skills, could conceivably have badly hurt Holyfield on any one of his many "off nights".

Needless to say, you went off on some tangent rather than accept the narrow and specific assertion that there is an argument to be made here.

Wlad's power + Holyfields periodic flakiness.....could result in a win for Wlad.

It wasn't even an emphatic statement to that effect....merely a request to acknowledge the existence of such a scenario.

 

Again, not what was said. What was requested that you consider the Bert Cooper fight and ask yourself what the result is if you substitute Cooper for Wlad, with Holyfield showing the same openings to Wlad as he did to Cooper.

 

No it isn't.

Ali was a better fighter than Holyfield, a naturally bigger man with a better chin, a smarter fighting brain, better handspeed and a better jab.

You are taking liberties.

As usual.:nono:

 

Huh?

Your post has just prompted me to rewatch the fight and (as I remembered) I'm sorry, but Bowe got whipped. He came out of an even first round and shipped two big left hands and fell back into the ropes. He was clearly hurt. The ref gave him a chance to come again and he walked straight into a big right-left and was stunned badly again. The stoppage might have been considered premature in a pro fight but Bowe had shipped four big shots in ten or so seconds in an Ammy fight and was well beaten.

Unquestionably so IMHO.

The fact that Bowe threw his professional title in a bin to avoid a rematch tells you everything you need to know about just how keen Riddick was to try and avenge that so-called 'early' stoppage. The simple fact is that he copped something of a beating and didn't much fancy similar or worse in the less forgiving surrounds of a professional ring.

MTF

 

What a goddamn joke of a thread.

 

Go back to mythical matchups, please.

Killer instinct is all the guy has, covered up with a veneer of Manny Stewards conservatism.

You are taking 10 of the guys fights and using them to form your entire opinion. A proper rationale argument would involve taking the full 50+ or whatever and then asking the same question.

Afterall, this is the way of the mythical matchup.

:boohoo:

 

I agree. The initial question was fine, in an esoteric sort of way. But some of the "rationale" that has been trotted out since is nothing short of baloney.

People shouldn't post repetitively in threads where they really really don't like one of the fighters in question.

 

So good he signed it twice!!!

 

:egypt:

MTF

 

No....he didn't try to. On the rare occasion that he opened up he easily slapped him around.

Klitschko made his mind up that if Ibragimov was going to do nothing than try to lure him onto a big shot, that he wouldn't take the bait.

Throw in Manny's conservatism, and his utterly perplexing demand that Wlad go for the stoppage in the last round {:scratcher:} and there you have it.

Do not confuse couldn' with wouldn't

And for what it is worth......neither Shannon Briggs nor Evander Holyfield had any greater a degree of success with KO'g Ibragimov.

 

I'm merely exaggerating a line of reasoning, to take it to it's natural, absurd conclusion. It's a crude but useful polemic tool, I find. Holyfield looks bad against such and such a B level fighter thus such and such an A level fighter will kill him. It's terrible boxing reasoning and particularly poorly applied to Holyfield of all people.

 

I didn't apply anything to Holyfield.

I merely said the man could be, had been, was....rocked in fights in his prime, made to look bad by lesser men than Wlad.

 

Classic Irish. Say something.....somebody argues against it....'i didn't say that anyway'.

It's right there in the fucking post man. This is tedious. Lets agree to disagree, mate.

 

Lewis and it shouldnt be a discussion

it wouldnt be if Wlad weren't white

 

So you wanted to get your characterization of the fights in and then close the discussion?

How clever.

 

Not at all. I wanted to start a fresh discussion.

As it happens, the weights for this latest Klitschko fight have been posted and all people want to do is yap about Lewis, or a cut, or some other stuff.

 

You're quite full of shit today.