Wlad resume vs Lewis resume

You, on the other hand...............:laugh11:

 

I'm just surprised you've been allowed to spam this board as much as you have.

 

Now...that is low. I have been contrary and controversial and push a few buttons but I never "spam" as such.

 

Bowe did it...after almost getting stopped himself.

Not that either fighter was at their best in the fight...Bowe was a clearly diminished fighter at that point of his career, and Holyfield's stamina was so poor in the third fight he couldn't even put the finishing touches on Bowe when he had him beat.

Wasn't that also the fight Foreman brought out the "pine box" comment?

Either way, hardly comparable to the Holyfield in the first fight, that still had something to give at the end of some of the late rounds, even after taking some of Bowe's best.

 

Wlad Klitschko's resume:

54 Wins, 3 Losses, 48 Knockouts

09-11 -- Samuel Peter, Frankfurt, Germany, ???
(For IBF/WBO Heavyweight Titles)
03-20 -- Eddie Chambers, Düsseldorf, Germany, TKO 12 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF/WBO Heavyweight Titles)


2009
06-20 -- Ruslan Chagaev, Gelsenkirchen, Germany, TKO 10 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF/WBO Heavyweight Titles)

2008
12-13 -- Hasim Rahman, Mannheim, Germany, TKO 7 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)
07-12 -- Tony Thompson, Hamburg, Germany, KO 11 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)
02-23 -- Sultan Ibragimov, New York, NY, W 12 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)
(Won WBO Heavyweight Title)

2007
07-07 -- Lamon Brewster, Cologne, Germany, TKO 6 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)
03-10 -- Ray Austin, Mannheim, Germany, TKO *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)

2006
11-11 -- Calvin Brock, New York, NY, TKO 7 *RECAP*
(Retained IBF Heavyweight Title)
04-22 -- Chris Byrd, Mannheim, Germany, TKO 7 *RECAP*
(Won IBF Heavyweight Title)

2005
09-24 -- Samuel Peter, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12 *RECAP*
04-23 -- Eliseo Castillo, Dortmund, Germany, TKO 4

2004
10-02 -- DaVarryl Williamson, Las Vegas, NV, W Tech Dec 5
04-10 -- Lamon Brewster, Las Vegas, NV, TKO by 5
(For WBO Heavyweight Title)

2003
12-20 -- Danell Nicholson, Kiel, Germany, TKO 4
08-30 -- Fabio Moli, Munich, Germany, KO 1
03-08 -- Corrie Sanders, Hannover, Germany, TKO by 2
(Lost WBO Heavyweight Title)

2002
12-07 -- Jameel McCline, Las Vegas, NV, W TKO 10
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)
06-29 -- Ray Mercer, Atlantic City, NJ, W TKO 6
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)
03-16 -- Francois Botha, Stuttgart, Germany, W TKO 8
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)

2001
08-04 -- Charles Shufford, Las Vegas, NV, W TKO 6
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)
03-24 -- Derrick Jefferson, Munich, Germany, W TKO 2
(Retained WBO Heavyweight Title)

2000
10-14 -- Chris Byrd, Cologne, Germany, W 12
(Won WBO Heavyweight Title)
07-15 -- Monte Barrett, London, England, W TKO 7
04-29 -- David Bostice, New York, NY, W TKO 2
03-18 -- Paea Wolfgramm, Hamburg, Germany, W KO 1

1999
12-04 -- Lajos Erös, Hannover, Germany, W KO 2
11-12 -- Phil Jackson, Las Vegas, NV, W KO 2
09-25 -- Axel Schulz, Cologne, Germany, W TKO 8
07-17 -- Joseph Chingangu, Dusseldorf, Germany, W TKO 5
05-22 -- Tony LaRosa, Budapest, Hungary, W TKO 1
04-24 -- Everett (Bigfoot) Martin, Munich, Germany, W TKO 8
02-13 -- Zoran Vujecic, Stuttgart, Germany, W KO 1

1998
12-05 -- Ross Puritty, Kiev, Ukraine, L TKO 11
11-14 -- Donnell Wingfield, Munich, Germany, W KO 1
10-03 -- Eli Dixon, Augsburg, Germany, W KO 3
09-19 -- Steve Pannell, Oberhausen, Germany, W KO 2
08-06 -- Carlos Monroe, Marksville, LA, W TKO 6
07-10 -- Najee Shaheed, Munich, Germany, W KO 1
05-23 -- Cody Koch, Offenburg, Germany, W KO 4
03-14 -- Everett Martin, Hamburg, Germany, W 8
02-14 -- Marcos McIntyre, Stuttgart, Germany, W KO 3

1997
12-20 -- Derrick Lampkins, Offenburg, Germany, W TKO 1
12-13 -- Ladislav Husarik, Hamburg, Germany, W TKO 3
12-06 -- Jerry Halstead, Offenbach, Germany, W TKO 2
10-11 -- Marcos Gonzalez, Cottbus, Germany, W KO 2
09-20 -- James Pritchard, Aachen, Germany, W TKO 3
08-23 -- Biko Botowamungo, Stuttgart, Germany, W TKO 5
07-12 -- Gilberto Williamson, Hagen, Germany, W TKO 3
06-27 -- Salvador Maciel, Offenburg, Germany, W KO 1
06-13 -- Paul Ashley, Oberhausen, Germany, W KO 2
05-10 -- Mark Wills, Frankfurt, Germany, W KO 1
04-12 -- Mark Young, Aachen, Germany, W TKO 2
02-15 -- Carlos Monroe, Cottbus, Germany, W DQ 6
01-25 -- Troy Weida, Stuttgart, Germany, W TKO 3
1996
12-21 -- Bill Corrigan, Frankfurt, Germany, W TKO 1
11-30 -- Exum Speight, Wiener Neustadt, Austria, W TKO 2
11-16 -- Fabian Meza, Hamburg, Germany, W KO 1

 

Lennox Lewis resume'

41 Wins, 2 Loss, 1 Draw, 32 Knockouts

1989
Jun. 27 -- Al Malcolm, London, KO 2
July 21 -- Bruce Johnson, Atlantic City, TKO 2
Sep. 25 -- Andy Gerrard, London, TKO 4
Oct. 10 -- Steve Garber, Hull, England, KO 2
Nov. 5 -- Melvin Epps, Kensington, England, W DSQ 2
Dec. 18 -- Greg Gorrell, Ontario, TKO 5

1990
Jan. 31 -- Noel Quarless, London, KO 2
Mar. 22 -- Calvin Jones, Gateshead, England, KO 1
Apr. 14 -- Mike Simuwelu, London, KO 1
May 9 -- Jorge Dascola, London, KO 1
May 20 -- Dan Murphy, Sheffield, England, TKO 6
June 27 -- Ossie Ocasio, Kensington, England, W 8
July 11 -- Mike Acey, Ontario, TKO 2
Oct. 31 -- Jean Chanet, London, TKO 6

1991
Mar. 6 -- Gary Mason, London, TKO 6
July 12 -- Mike Weaver, Stateline, Nevada, KO 6
Sept 30 -- Glenn McCrory, Kensington, England, KO 2
Nov. 23 -- Tyrell Biggs, Atlanta, TKO 3

1992
Feb. 1 -- Levi Billups, Las Vegas, W 10
Apr. 30 -- Derek Williams, London, KO 3
Aug. 11 -- Mike Dixon, Atlantic City, TKO 4
Oct. 31 -- Razor Ruddock, London, KO 2 (*)

1993
May 8 -- Tony Tucker, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
Oct. 1 -- Frank Bruno, Cardif, Wales, TKO 7
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)

1994
May 6 -- Phil Jackson, Atlantic City, KO 8
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
Sep. 24 -- Oliver McCall, London, TKO by 2
(Lost WBC heavyweight title)

1995
May 13 -- Lionell Butler, Sacramento, KO 5
July 2 -- Justin Fortune, Dublin, TKO 4
Oct. 7 -- Tommy Morrison, Atlantic City, TKO 6

1996
May 10 -- Ray Mercer, New York City, W 12

1997
Feb. 7 -- Oliver McCall, Las Vegas, TKO 5
(Regained WBC heavyweight title)
July 12 -- Henry Akinwande, Lake Tahoe, W DSQ 5
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
Oct. 4 -- Andrew Golota, Atlantic City, KO 1
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)

1998
Mar. 28 -- Shannon Briggs, Atlantic City, TKO 5
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
Sep. 26 -- Zeljko Mavrovic, Uncasville, Connecticut, W 12
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)

1999
Mar. 13 -- Evander Holyfield, New York, D 12
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
Nov. 13 -- Evander Holyfield, Las Vegas, W 12
(Captured undisputed world heavyweight title)

2000
Apr. 29 -- Michael Grant, New York, New York, KO 2
(Retained WBC and IBF heavyweight title)
July 15 -- Frans Botha, London, England, TKO 2
(Retained WBC and IBF heavyweight title)
Nov. 11 -- David Tua, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained WBC and IBF heavyweight title)

2001
Apr. 21 -- Hasim Rahman, Johannesburg, South Africa, KO by 5
(Lost WBC and IBF heavyweight title)
Nov. 17 -- Hasim Rahman, Las Vegas, Nevada, KO 4
(Won WBC and IBF heavyweight title)

2002
June 8 -- Mike Tyson, Memphis, Tennessee, KO 8
(Retained WBC and IBF heavyweight title)

2003
June 21 -- Vitali Klitschko, Los Angeles, CA, TKO 6
(Retained WBC heavyweight title)
* - Lewis' bout with Ruddock was a title eliminator. Lewis was awarded the belt when Riddick Bowe surrendered the title in December.

 

I'll say this to Wlad's credit - it's a far better resume than Vitali's.

 

Agreed...although Vitali would beat him head to head..IMO.

Wlad does have one of the best Heavyweight KO%ages in history though. Perhaps only Vitali and Foreman are better?

 

I wouldn't be certain Vitali would beat him. Wlad is the much better boxer and much harder & better puncher. Of course Vitali has the better chin but im not sure he's a hard enough single puncher to take advantage of that.

It'd be a fascinating one in an alternate universe, though I think it's a credit to both of them that they won't cash out on that match up.

 

Yup. I wouldn't want to actually see it. Two brothers fighting for money...is ugly.

Vitali is most definitely a hard enough puncher to knock Wlad out. No Doubt.

 

I disagree. I was just going to say that Vitaly does not hit hard enough to take out Wlad.

 

Fight-ending power...against who, Irish?

 

He didn't stab him, he shot him...result's the same. Guy's dead, & Ibragimov survived. Holyfield would survive, too. A thousand times out of a thousand. If Klitschko wouldn't open up for this guy, he wouldn't open up for Holyfield.

Any way it's sliced, I cannot envision a single scenario where Holyfield doesn't hear the final bell against him. You're really bringing up Holyfield & Briggs? Wow. Talk about selective.

 

What about if they really do like the fighter in question?

 

I wouldn't say Bowe, "killed" Holyfield, though. That'd be pushing it too far. It was a fairly close fight, & Bowe was seriously wounded in the sixth, dropped for the first time in his career, if memory serves. This is before you cosnider Holyfield's unsual condition for the fight, too.

I don't see any fight, sans maybe the Toney clash, where Holyfield could said to be killed, & the last fella in recent memory I could ever imagine doing it the way he fights is Klitschko.

 

Against Chris Byrd, who fought Tua, Golota, Holyfield, Wlad, Vitali, Ibeabuchi, Povetkin and others.

Only Wlad and Ibeabuchi really stopped the guy. I mean beat the guy down.

So basically Wlad showed fight ending power against a guy that Tua didn't show it against.

So maybe Tua doesn't have fight ending power either.ointlaugh:ointlaugh:

Sasha Dimitrenko and Sam Peter both lost to Chambers. Povetkin went the distance. Maybe none of those three have fight ending power either.

 

Then they would be encouraged to read up and study up further on the guy.

 

I think (from memory) Marciano has the KO percentage record, doesn't he? I know Foreman eclipsed him a few times, but ultimately fell away, fighting too long.

 

Foreman fought guys like Tommy Morrison and Lou Savarese, so it was only natural that his KO ratio would suffer a bit. Marciano and other old-timers did not have the problems of facing these Tungsten-Tough guys.

 

Chris Byrd is the measuring stick for stopping Holyfield, then? I guess we can are all guilty of taking liberties in this thread.

I just cannot envision Holyfield getting stopped. Klitschko has impressive power, & a very handy jab with which to set it up...but he has neither the firepower (ultimately) nor --- more importantly --- the courage to make it happen against Holyfield.

 

I wasn't making any commentary on power, or killer instinct, or anything...just statistics.

 

..... you questioned if Wlad had fight ending power and I basically showed you how we can all fucking play around and "show" how perceived punchers might not be so heavy-handed after all.

Wlad showed "fight-ending" power against a guy that Tua, Holyfield, Vitali all lost to. Maybe Vitali slaps and Evander is feather-fisted. Maybe Tua has no power either.

 

Well statistically fighting tough guys like Morrison and Briggs didn't do anything for Foreman's KO ratio.

Maybe Foreman lacks "fight-ending" power, eh???:scared:

 

Wlad punches very, very hard. If you'll argue against that, you'll argue against anything concerning this guy.

 

Tua, Holyfield & big brother? Was it a lack of power which caused them to miss out on stopping Byrd?

No, no & no.

 

Oh come on man.....why?

 

The reason I raised Chris Byrd as a response is that the trick with stopping a guy is finding the guy first, then having the power to stop him.

Ramonza is arguing, it seems, that Wlad has not stopped anyone of sufficient note for us to regard him as having "fight-ending" power.

Fine.

But Wlad stopped Byrd and Holyfield, Vitali, Tua etc didn't. He also stopped Chambers, who Sam Peter didn't stop.

Now if those guys lack power, it is news to me.

My point was that Wlad has enough power and enough talent to get his power down on target, and that Holyfield has shown enough of flaky nights that I might safely conclude that IF Holyfield showed up against Wlad on a flaky night that he could get beaten.

It's not exactly the most outrageous proposition of all time.

Maybe Foreman can't punch either, considering his points defeat to Briggsand Morrison and his points wins over Saverese. ::

 

I was being sarcastic.

Basically you can nit-pick anyones record, pick out a handful of results, and make any argument you want.

Some of those arguments are rational. Some of them less so.

 

Well what was it then?

 

Not true, & if it came across that way, allow me to rectify...

I am not convinced he has ever shown what it takes to stop Holyfield, specifically.

As for repeatedly bringing up Foreman, that'll be more worthwhile to entertain if & when little brother takes an extended hiatus & returns, well into his forties & effectively obese. We'll see what snap his shots have then.