Wlad vs Holyfield later this year?

for some reason i don't think HBO would go for this. don't forget, HBO owns Wladmir.

we should all be happy that Wlad broke his finger - if it means he doesn't fight again this year, then HBO can afford to make the Calslappy/Kessler fight.

 

I'm not really sure what kind of chance Evander has but I can understand some of Karls thoughts here.
When you have fighters like Brewster (a fighter that many people thought might KO Wlad for a second time ) there is always a chance for Holyfield.

I'll tell ya , I don't think Holyfield would have performed as poorly as Brewster just did.

 

Evander would be brutalized in one-sided homicidal fashion. Evander wasn't a big puncher even in prime and he never had a great defense....so let alone now.

Wlad is physically so much bigger than the former cruiserweight, it's insane. Klitschko wouldn't be able to miss with his punches. Evander will be hurt really really badly...and there'll be an investigation into this fight and why it was allowed.

 

Yet he rocked, dropped and/or hurt just about every fighter he ever fought, regardless of their size.::
The guy in his prime was a f*cking warrior!!!!!

 

Yeah, I think people are confusing effort with results in this case.

Holyfield might be more active and try harder, but that would likely only hasten the beating he's going to get from Klitschko.

Brewster fought cautiously - as have others against Klischko - and that's why he was able to take his loss without getting that badly hurt.

The people making a case for Holyfield know do so knowing they can simply throw out every excuse in the book - and rightfully so, given his age, size and the wars he's been in - as soon as the fight is over.

I think it's completely disingenuous.

Klitschko managed to get the IBF to sanction the Brewster fight as a mandatory defense because Brewster was the highest available contender, so he can choose his next opponent, and I certainly hope he finds someone better than Holyfield, or Rahman for that matter.

I'd much rathr see him fight Sergei Liakhovich or the winner of Krasniqi-Thompson than Holyfield or Rahman.

 

dsimon writes:

Evander does not have much of a defense against the jab... never did. Ironickly enough even if he had been good enough to counter a lazy jab, there is no way nobody nohow is countering Vlad's jab! It is about as fast as a flyweight's jab!

Evander's big problem is that he sets up with the understanding that by keeping one side of his body forward and tucking his head, he can neutralize the jab.... this is dangerous and will never work against Vlad's jab.

But Evander has shown that when he listens to his corner he can adopt. Against Tyson and when he beat Bowe he followed instructions from his corner to a tee.

If he works with a trainer who is smart enough to neutralize the jab, and listens he could do better than people think. If I was training him to fight Vlad I would have him square up and keep his hands foward like Jones and pick off jabs with the gloves. This also lets him hook off his punches pretty easily.

 

well said, and right on the money:bears:

Evander TKO 8 Sultan or Maskaev.

 

We'll see how fatal it is, because even though he does that - not bringing the left back all the way, and leaving it low - he is looking to throw half-hooks, half-jabs, half-uppercuts with the left.

I don't think he leaves it out because of laziness, he does it because it cuts the distance on the punch...(and to enter into a clinch).

 

He hit CHINNY Bert Cooper with every punch including the kitchen sink and Cooper NEVER hit canvas. OLD MAN Holmes was never in danger of being stopped by Evander.

 

We're talking about an old man here...a guy that doesn't have the reflexes anymore to pull the trigger.

Wlad's hands are very fast and he has ambidextrous power.It doesn't matter HOW you train Holyfield, he's TOAT in this fight.

Eddie Futch is considered by some to be the greatet trainer of all time. It didn't matter HOW he trained Frazier for the rematch with Foreman, Joe simply couldn't win that fight.

 

Did you even see that fight? :: Not only did Holyfield put Cooper on his ass from a bodyshot early, he stopped him.

 

You sure you guys aren't going way too far out on a limb there picking Wlad in this fight?
That is as daring a pick as picking Douglas over Tyson, it takes guts to pick Wlad to win over Holyfield, I'll tell ya.

 

:: Not really Stinger. Holyfield is a completely finished fighter. He looked awful against Oquendo, and winning over that joke Savarese is meaningless. He's dead meat if this fight happens.

 

A younger version of Holyfield was outboxed by Larry Donald and Chris Byrd. I'll tell you, it take guts to take this version of Holyfield over Wlad. Picking Wlad in this case is only a question of common sense.

 

No chicken-hearted pugilistic prognosticators here, I'll tell ya!:bears:
Do you guys really think Barry Bonds will break Hank Aaron's home run record also??
Do you think Tiger Woods will win another tournament before his career is over?

 

You really love your guys, don't you.




To a fault.

 

Stinger's old school.

 

dsimon writes:

That is probably true. Its just that with the division so weak... Holly is a credible opponent. I mean Rahman is an even worse opponent.:doh: :dunno:

 

dsimon writes:

People are not used to you pulling their leg Karl::

 

He's pretty serious usually, I didn't know he was joking... Looking back at the post, I feel a bit dumb...:doh:

 

No win fight for Wlad.

Lennox fought this guy 10 years ago.

Leave it out.

 

hahaha! ::

 

That's ok, you should be used to that feeling by now.

 

The minute I've seen your name at the bottom of the page, I knew you'd come up with that.

 

Staffers name is always bottom, of the page, of the list............you name it.

 

You mentioned a "fatal flaw" and I responded addressing the flaw you described.

Sorry if that doesn't make me daring.

 

Using your past posts in this thread, I guess that means you only give Bonds and Woods a 75% chance of accomplishing those feats.

I'd put the % significantly higher.

 

This beating would be awful, but maybe, just maybe, it would finally convince old Evander to hang the gloves up for good.