Worst fight strategies

Gotta agree, because I was certain Nady would disqualify Tarver for hitting on the break, throwing a punch with his eyes closed or any morbid excuse he could have used. Anything short of retiring on the spot and not having to count Jones out in order to continue his obvious bias for Roy. After that fight, I realized Nady was for real.

 

So since the 12th round was a clear 10-8 for Oscar , You had Ike up 3 or 4 points going into the 12th ?

Please explain this.

EDIT
I just watched the 12th round again. If it wasn't for the Ropes holding him up , Ike would have easily went down a second time.

 

Agree. I don't think Nady had any bias toward Jones he just has a bias towards the style that Ruiz exhibits and I don't blame him one bit.

Nady's problem is that he has shown too much of a willingness to get between fighters when they are fighting in close. He has shown that over and over again in fights since the Jones/Ruiz fight.

Some refs let the holding and clinching go on far too much whereas Nady tends to break it up before it even happens to the point of stopping any sort of infighting.

I wish Nady would ref all of Ruiz's fights so we could coax him into retirement just a little bit quicker.

 

B.S. !!! The smile came everytime he got hit with the jab !!! I'm certain of it. It was a response to being hit. PBF doesn't smile when he eludes a punch. He smiles when he gets hit. He did the same shit against Baldomir when he got hit with the right hand.

And as far as PBF's countering, he did a little countering, but it was hardly ever over the jab. Almost exclusively the only countering he did was off the ropes. Besides that he mostly led with shots to the gloves.

Also, the fact that ODH isn't consistent with the jab doesn't mean it wasn't a poor strategy on his part not to use it.

Finally, as far as Sturm/ODH, I think there's a big difference between hitting a guy on the arms who's covering up, and hitting your opponent square on the gloves, even as his hands are up and held in front of his body. PBF's glove hitting was either symptomatic of some sort of silent agreement, or a bitch attempt to fool the judges. Either way, it didn't hurt ODH, and it should not have contributed to his victory, even though it obviously did. And the B.S. punch counts support this.

 

The worst tactic was Adrian Davis telling Hasim Rahman to stick his arms out when Lennox threw shots at him.

Great call.
Also; Michael Grant jumping into Lewis' power shots, insane.

 

Joppy slugging away with Trinidad with him arms down by his waist.

 

Jones hit the canvas at 1:31 and his gloves appear to still be on the canvas at 1:21.

Not sure how many seconds there are in that interval, but you may be right that it was a quick stoppage...especially when Jones was then stumbling into the ropes in front of him after he got up and was counted out.

Jones was finished.

 

De La Hoya has admitted on a couple of occassions that he was tired, even saying on Legendary Nights that his legs were shaking because he hadn't boxed like that before with his legs.

His corner told him to "box, box", I never heard them to tell him to run...and they even said "no more rounds like that" after round 10.

I think it was a fatigue thing. Being tired against a puncher like Trinidad is dangerous.

 

yep. much like every other trainer he had, Oscar did Gil Clancy wrong, throwing him under the bus the way he did. And all because he either completely misinterpreted, or just flat out didn't listen to, what was said to him (which I thought was sound advice from Gil).

Honestly, if Oscar wisely boxed in even one of those last three rounds, he'd have won enough rounds on my scorecard to where I'd NEVER argue with anyone who said the fight was never any closer than a narrow points win for Oscar.

 

that sounds about right. I had Ike up 6-3 after 9 rounds, and if you give him the 11th, then he was up 7-4 going into the final round. The only rounds w/ knockdowns prior to the last round was the 6th, where they both went down. It wasn't 10-8 either way, and most people who know how to score a fight had Ike otherwise EASILY winning the round (though one of the judges actually scored it for Oscar!).

I had it 3-3 (57-57)after 6,
had Ike winning 7-9 (87-84 Ike),
Oscar winning 10 (96-94 Ike),
Ike winning 11 (106-103, Ike)
and Oscar winning a 10-8 round in the 12th (114-113, Ike).

Final score, 114-113, Quartey

 

:: Both are great examples...absolute classics.

 

See Erratic's post (previous page) and Jake's post this page.

They were close rounds, but Ike's jab was better - and every time they opened up center ring to exchange, Quartey was usually getting the better of the exchanges, especially with his over/under right hand.

Peace.

Peace.

 

Why do people say this as though it's unreasonable? :doh:

Most people had Ike 7 rounds to 4 up going into the 12th round. So even with a 10-8 last round for Oscar he'd still lose the decision by a point.

A close fight at the end...7 rounds to 5, but 7 rounds to 4 going into the last round means that Ike would have been 3 points up at that point. Watching the fight, is that assertion unreasonable?

You have some DODGY opinions CYC.

 

word.

 

Yep...awful advice...amateurish stuff. Dude was only thinking one dimensionally: assuming that Lennox would only try the straight right. They NEVER factored in the right hook...idiots.

I liken it to playing a chess move...ASSUMING that the oponent is only going to counter in one particular way...and then ending up getting your Queen and King forked.

 

But the twelfth could have been 10-7 given how close Ike was to getting knocked out.

I had Quartey winning, and can't see better than a draw for DLH.

I remember there being a segment of people thinking a stoppage win for DLH would have been less controversial than a decision for him.

 

I wouldn't say Ike was close to being knocked out...and 10-7 in Oscar's favour would have been ridiculous given the last minute of that round. Btw...IMO that fight was Oscar's career defining fight.

 

Ok, he smiled when he got hit. I won't argue that. ::

And I SAID I agreed DLH needed to use the jab more and that was central to him winning....my point was that I KNEW he'd be inconsistent with it b/c he has been now for quite a few years and because he gets hesitant with it when faced with superior speed/counter jabs.

And "BS" punch counts cut both ways....DLH has been very much "helped" by them (as far as fans go) much of his career.

I don't go by them as gospel...but in this instance, I think they are correct. To land, DLH needed to double and triple up on his jab...and he rarely did that. To my eye, there were many occasions when his jab came close and appeared to land but PBF pulled back just enough. :dunno:

Believe me...I would not have minded at all if DLH had beaten PBF, not at all.

But he didn't.

Peace.

 

10-8 is the right score, IMHO, without a second KD or a severe beating.

DLH had a good stretch after the KD and Ike was hurt against the ropes...but he did begin firing back and came off the ropes.

Peace.

 

Has anyone mentioned, any fight where Thell Torrance served as head trainer? The next decent gameplan he delivers will be the first, amazing considering how long he spent as Eddie Futch's second. Therefore, any fight where he was in charge of the corner has to qualify as a terrible fight strategy.

 

Or for that matter, Papa Trinidad in the Hops-Trinny fight...

"Dale duro! Dale DURO!"

*SMACK* "Como estamos? Ehtamo' bien?"

"Metele las manos! Dale DURO!"

:: :doh:

 

I don't have dodgy opinions. I just had the fight closer then you did going into the 12th.
Not to mention that Ike was allowed to sit on the ropes in the 12th preventing himself from going down a second time which would have made that round a 10-7 at minimum.

 

Woulda, coulda....10-8, period.

10-7 minimum?? :: Man, you really wanted Ike to lose that fight, eh?

:tease:

 

Ike gets too much credit for throwing one jab at a time for 2 minutes of every round. People forget, power shots count more than jabs. So while it may have seemed that Quartey was the more active guy later in the fight, if anyone was taking chances, it was ODH.

 

Quartey barely landed anything in the last minute...even with a DLH that was dead-tired in front of him, after he spent his wad when Bazooka was against the ropes.

 

Actually no , at that point in time I hated Oscar and always rooted against him. Even with the hate , I still had Oscar winning that fight.
It wasn't until after Ike that I started to like him.

Also I just watched round 12 about an hour or so ago. Ike was out on his feet at one point and the only thing keeping him up was the fact he was sitting on the ropes.

 

DLH tagged him with some very good power punches...and after an initial stretch where Quartey landed some good replies, he basically just started moving his arms...and most of the movements could hardly be called actual "punches".

 

Yes but after beating Ike along the ropes, DLH spent the rest of the round moving his legs...and most of those movements could hardly be called actual "punches." He didn't throw a punch over the last minute of the fight. Definitely not a 10-7 round.

 

At the same time though , its illegal to allow the ropes to hold up your body weight when if not for them , you would go down.

Anyway , I scored it 10-8 round though I had the fight closer then some going into the 12th.

 

If you watched the last round you'd know what I meant by that statement.

Quartey was just moving his arms...most weren't close to landing or even intended to land...but they did keep Halpern from jumping in and stopping it.

DLH was gassed and threw nothing late, and that's probably the only reason why Quartey lasted the round...he moved forward doing almost nothing (and landed barely anything).