Worst fight strategies

Yeah Muze (and Jake) I agree... I thougt Winky won the taylor fight straight up...

 

Here's an obscure one...

Antonio Tarver vs. Eric Harding II


Harding was handing Tarver his lunch for the first five rounds. Then the smart/dumb guys in his corner tell him to sit down on his punches and knock Tarver out... Good stratagy if you're Tarver and you can pop... but it was ERIC HARDING... the clown couldn't bust a grape if you shaved the skin off!

now he's looping punches instead of boxing (which won him the first 4 rounds) then BANG! Tarver catches him with a counter punch that has him on queer street! 4 knockdowns later and the fight was over...


What idiots!

 

He was moving backwards because he was tired and couldn't even lift his arms to punch...though he still blocked a lot of Quartey's punches, because he couldn't put much on his punches either.

Quartey's hardest punch was when he smacked his gloves together...just about everything else was missed or was blocked.

And given the number of people at the time, including some in the media, that argued the fight could have been stopped in the 12th, I don' think it's that far-fetched.

 

Agreed. It's pretty clear and simple.

 

Jake,

Outside of the action along the ropes there's almost nothing meaningful from either fighter...DLH's exhausted and Quartey's just going through the motions.

Just to use a fake percentage, 90-95% of the most meaningful punches were thrown up to and including DLH's flurry along the ropes, so how does a minute plus of posturing and missed/blocked arm punches over-ride that?

 

:: There simply is absolutely no way that is a 10-7 round.

You cannot give a fighter an additional point simply for 30 seconds; especially when his opponent (though hurt/tired) is blocking, ducking, and firing back occasional punches. DLH landed some additional nice clean shots.

People act like this was round 11 of Whitaker-Hurtado.

There is ONE occasion where Quartey bounces off the ropes....other than that, he's laying on them, similar to how 10,000 other boxers in the history of boxing have done.

10-8.

If there is so much argument for making this round 10-7; then I suspect people want to "seal the deal" to be able to give DLH the fight...which likely means they DID have Quartey up 3-4 points going into the 12th.

Peace.

 

some of those same people in the media left Madison Square Garden believing Cotto-Judah was the runaway favorite for Fight of the Year.

Like i said earlier, at the time between the hype at the fight party i was at and lampley ready to shoot one off, it's easy to get caught up in it and believe that Ike was ready to go. But watching that video earlier, with the music drowning out the commentary, it didn't look anywhere as bad as it was called that night.

as Double L argued earlier that the round should only be scored for the first 90 seconds, how would you score the round if it were based on the last 90 seconds? or even the last 110 seconds, which is more than 1/2 of the round?

 

Time wise it's half the round, but in terms of action, it's about 1/20.

 

no. the argument is more about providing those who did score it for Quartey going into the 12th, having given him too much credit for pot-shotting jabs, and not enough to ODH for taking 80% of the chances in the fight, a basis for giving the fight to ODH. they don't "HAVE" to be wrong afterall.

 

I scored the fight for Quartey regardless of the scoring for round 12.

 

It doesn't override it - I'm just saying that if Ike did just as little as OScar for the remainder of the fight, I'd still have scored the round 10-8.

Think of all of the fights that had rounds like the last 110 seconds of DLH-Quartey. Very few are scored even, and almost all of them are scored against the fighter going in reverse, especially if he's not throwing ANYTHING in return.

The right hand Ike landed to free himself off of the ropes, which came at 1:50 left in the round, I believe, was far more effective than any punch Oscar threw for the rest of the fight. And it wasn't the only punch Ike landed for the rest of the fight, in fact not even in that sequence. Yes the last minute was ass, and a posing contest for the most part. But it was still controlled by Ike, the remainder of the round from the moment he freed himself from the ropes.

 

Right - and that's why Oscar won the round. Just not by an extra point beyond the knockdown. Take away the knockdown, the round is NOT a 10-8 round. No way, no how. Not unless we're willing to rescore a hell of a lot of other fights. Way too much credit is given toward a stagger, to the point where we might as well start scoring it a knockdown if the judges are going to dock points for it.

 

This round has been recapped 10 million times and Double Elian STILL hasn't gotten it.

I'm guessing his tape cutoff at the 1:50 mark.

 

elian? is that the cuban boy? :laughing::::laughing:::

 

Just to get away from the neverending DeLaHoya/Quartey debate. Yes, I agree, very good point on Tarver/Harding II. :bears:

 

:dunno:

 

I disagree with that about re-scoring fights. Quartey took about 5-6 (maybe more) clean left hooks and a couple clean rights...some of the punches clearly rocked Quartey, making his head/neck turn...there's a big difference between those and the open hand slaps he was offering off the ropes.

There's a reason Halpern was getting jumpy there along the ropes, about 50 seconds or so into the round.

 

Oscar taking all the chances?

He was tenative just like Quartey, maybe more so, especially in the 4-5 rounds following the 6th round knockdown, which in the eyes of many, should have cost him the fight.

 

someone prolly already said it, I didn't read the whole thread... but..

Gatti-Mayweather..

yeah, let's try to "BOX" arguably the best "boxer" in the game

 

Well try to read the whole thread LOK. That's what people write it for.

 

this thread is 12 pages long, fuck that ::

 

:: :bears:

 

U DON'T Discredit Anything & Roy Gets ALL the Credit N the World for the Win,yet U've Basically SHITTED on his Win,whether U Realize that or Not...

Dude,Ruiz Pressured Roy from the OPENING BELL...Not even 15 Seconds Into the Bout,he FORCED Roy to the Ropes & Landed a VERY HARD Shot to Roy's Jaw on the INSIDE...Nady Didn't Step N @ ALL...

Later that Round,Ruiz AGAIN Pressured Roy,Roy STOOD His Ground & TRADED w/Ruiz...@ 1 Point,Ruiz Wobbled Roy,but Roy Answered RIGHT BACK w/a Shot that MADE Ruiz Retreat...Nady DIDN'T Step N @ All...

Round 4...Ruiz is Again PRESSURING Roy & Walks Right into a Shot that BUSTS his Nose to Shit & Makes him HOLD for Dear Life...Even as Ruiz is HOLDING Roy,Nady DIDN'T Step N @ All...Like Xplosive Said,Roy MADE Ruiz Passive Cause Ruiz was SURPRISED by How Much Roy could HURT him...

Next Time U REALLY Wanna DISCREDIT a Win,SPARE Us the Pleasantries,OK???...Shit,U Can't even Say that Roy WOULD have Won the Fight w/Out Nady Ref'ing,yet U're NOT "Discrediting" Anything???...

Coulda Fooled REED....

REED:dunno:

 

Are you really saying that Nady was a zero factor in that fight? :dunno:

 

REED is Saying that Nady's Effect on the Fight was MINIMAL @ Best...

Certainly NOT Enough to Harp On,4 Years AFTER the Fact...

No Ref was Gonna Prevent Roy from Winning a WIDE,Unanimous Decision over Ruiz...

R YOU Really Saying that Nady Effected Ruiz's Performance & Basically COST him the Fight???


REED:dunno:

 

I wondered who would bring up Rahman's "The Mummy" defense first. Lennox came around that with one of the most BRUTAL right hands he ever threw. ::

Great call, Karl! That was a blunder of monumental proportions! :: ::

 

I personally have always thought that what Nady did gets so overrated. He prevented Ruiz from clinching right? Well you don't score points from a clinch so overall the only thing he did was maximize the damage Ruiz received but that didn't hinder Ruiz's offense that much. Roy was just hands down better than Ruiz.

 

Buddy (Karl, let me know if you agree)...

Lemmon set that shot up beautifully. He purposely threw the lefthook short to blind Rahman then the right hand comes winging over the top.

 

No, what I'm saying is that piece of shit Ruiz got everything that was coming to him.................fair or not! Jones just happened to be the benefactor.

Honestly, I always hated that this fight was happening from the beginning. #1 Because it made me root for Roy for the first time ever.

#2. Because I knew when Roy whupped on Ruiz he would never STFU about being "THE" Heavyweight Champion Of The World, even though he obviously had no intention of fighting any one of the other belt-holders.

 

REED wants us all to just forget and stop mentioning the fact that Nady broke the fighters everytime they came within 6 inches of each other. We should just stop "Harping" on that little point. ::