XXX's worst nightmare....

baldomir is a stinker pressure fighter w/ no pop. margarito is a pressure volume puncher and is more exciting.

williams exposed margarito? funny, i saw a close fight. williams and floyd fight nothing alike.

 

Margarito & Williams R BOTH SLOW,Face-First "Pressure" Guys w/SHITTY Defense...They're STRENGTHS R Will,Determination & CHIN...

They're Much MORE ALIKE than Dissimilar...

Margarito ISN'T a Volume Puncher Against Guys who LEAD...

Funny,REED Saw Floyd BEAT Castillo Closely the 1st Time,Decisively the 2nd Time...Yet some STILL Say Floyd LOST to Castillo...By THAT Rationale,Paul Williams EXPOSED Margarito...

Williams is SLOWER & LESS Mobile than Floyd...Floyd would BEAT Margarito even EASIER than Williams did...It'd B Floyd-Baldomir All Over Again...

REED

 

Whenever YOU Stop Doing it 1st,DOUB...

Floyd BARELY Beat Castillo the 1st Time,yet YOU PERSIST N Fooling YOURSELF N 2 Believing that Castillo WON that Fight...

U Also PERSIST N Telling YOURSELF that Floyd HASN'T Fought "The Best",NEVERMIND that YOUR Favorite Fighter has an "L" BECAUSE of Floyd...

Floyd WOULDN'T have to Handle all the Shots that Williams did from Margarito,Cause Floyd's Defense is INFINITELY Superior...

REED's Described How Baldomir & Margarito R SIMILAR Many Times Now...Margarito's TALLER & Punches a BIT Better,but Other than That,him & Baldomir R THE SAME Guy...

It's NOT Rocket Science...More like Gym Class...

REED

 

How do you figure Peter would EVER "outwork" Vitali?

Vitali throws ALOT of punches....Peter, does not.

 

Williams being PBF's worst nightmare is likely true....

But Paul in no way exposed Margarito.

I had that fight a draw 114-114...and no matter how you had it, it was a CLOSE fight.

If you take that position, you are saying Paul went tit-for-tat with an overrated club fighter who is no better than Baldomir at best....which significantly downgrades Paul's victory - especially since it was competitive.

Peace.

 

you mean favorite fighterS - DLH and Castillo a combined 0-3 against Floyd. :laughing:

 

Mayweather's worst nightmare stylistically is Paul Williams IMO.

Oscar's, I'd probably go with Winky Wright.

Wlad? Maybe a healthy version of his brother. Vitali takes punches better and probably has that psychological older-brother edge.

 

what is this all about?

he's also 6" taller than him, and a lot bigger too, and a south-paw, and he throws over 100 punches a round. :: the idea that PBF could only improve on what Williams did? absurd.

 

I don't know about Peter winning the rematch. If he fights a little more controlled and with more skill (I use that word liberally when it comes to someone like Peter), that might be worse for him. Peter might have to just throw more caution to the wind and be reckless to beat Wlad.

 

his biggest challenge will be learning to cope with Wlad's grappling when he gets in close. all night Wlad shut down Peter's offense by grabbing and leaning on him every time he got close. Peter will need to figure out some way of dealing with this, whether it's lobbying the ref, or using his forearm the way Tito did against Whitaker.

 

I will prob get pelted for this but I honestly think that Peter gets iced in a Wlad rematch.

 

I assume you meant Margarito and Baldomir.

But hold on, bro...you're making sweeping generalizations.

1. Yes, they both have "strength, determination and chin"; but Margarito also punches MUCH harder than Baldomir, is stronger, has longer reach and height, is bigger, has a much better repertoire of shots, works the body more, and is harder to hit clean IMHO (though neither's defense is spectacular).

Baldomir's offense is much easier to discount in terms of the 'incoming' than Margarito's is; especially in the late rounds.

2. I thought PBF beat JLC by 1 point in the first, and 2 points in the second....that second fight was much closer than it's made out to be by many, IMHO.

3. Yes, Williams is "slower" than Floyd...but I don't know about less mobile. He's slower of feet, but he covers MUCH more ground per stride and importantly, he is much taller, longer-armed than Mayweather is; and that creates a whole different set of circumstances for PBF who'd be in against a significantly bigger opponent in Margarito than Baldomir....who can also hit harder and is a better "fighter."

Peace.

 

If you believe this...then it's not that far of a stretch to believe some folks may have had Castillo up by a point or two, is it?

I had PBF up by 1 point....so as long as people saw a CLOSE fight, I can see some who would have JLC up by 1-2 pts.

Peace.

 

I agree.

 

No way JLC won that fight. Come on bro? You don't lose the first four rounds and pretty much spit the final six and win that fight.

 

yep, Wlad seems very dangerous in rematches.

 

maybe by your former employer, and perhaps some newspaper writers who are paid to not know any better. but I'm sure most of the rest of the boxing world would agree with you.

 

Completely disagREED on SEVERAL Counts...

Margarito Being a "Much" Harder Puncher than Baldomir is False...Amongst the More OVERRATED Aspects of Margarito's Game is his So-Called "Power"...Yes,he's a Harder Puncher than Baldomir,but Not "Much" Harder...Baldomir Could've STRETCHED Six Heads Lewis or Hercules Kyvelos as Well...

The Cintron KO was MORE a Case of Kermit QUITTING on Himself,than Actually Getting Knocked Out...

Margarito IS Taller & has Looooooooooonger Reach,but he NEGATES that N ALL of his Fights,DONNY...When have U EVER Seen Margarito UTILIZE his Height & Reach???:dunno: ...N this Regard,he's Similar to Chico Corrales...A Tall,Rangy Guy who ALWAYS Fights @ Close Quarters...He May as Well B 5 Ft Tall,considering HOW he Fights...

No Way is Margarito Harder to Hit,Either...His Defense SUCKS,Donny...There's NO Candycoating It...Again,His Defense SUCKS...& Please DON'T use the Paul Williams Fight as a Barometer...When a Guy Fires OVER a Thousand Shots @ U,U're Bound to Pick Off Some w/your Gloves...

& Considering Margarito's a WINGER,REED Doesn't See how his Offense is Harder to Discount than Baldomir's...Baldomir's SNEAKY Right Hand is as Potent a Weapon as ANYTHING N Margarito's Arsenal...


REED

 

How did you see the fight? I thought your cheap ass didn't have HBO? :dunno:

 

I scored the first fight even.

 

Zoo's worst nightmare: PBF.
Zoo's never faced an elite fighter, and facing PBF, he'd be way over his head, overwhelmed and scared. It'd be similar to Cotto-Abdullaev, only on much higher level. Ineffective offence by Zoo interrupted by pin-point precision counter-shots from PBF smashing Zoo in his cowardly rat-like face. Zoo might pull out his favorite tactic and try to low-blow PBF, which would actually make PBF angrier and lead to the increase in the amount of punihsment, dished out by PBF. Exhausted and heart-broken, the quitter quits a few rounds earlier than he did against future PBF victim, Ricky.

 

why would he have quit if the punches didn't hurt? and why would they have hurt if they weren't hard? do you really think Baldomir would beat Cintron, let alone stop him? Margarito also severely hurt Santos several times, and tore a guy's ear off with a punch. Also, he stopped Antonio Diaz. he's not Cintron, but he definitely hits hard.

He doesn't negate shit. And he certainly doesn't fight like Chico. He uses his long arms all day. He sets shit up with the jab, throws long right hands and even uppercuts from way outside. He can fight inside, but he's certainly capable and inclined of fighting outside as well.

It almost seems like you haven't really watched any of his fights. Or maybe you're always watching his opponent instead of him? Either way you don't really seem to have a handle yet on exactly what he does in the ring.

 

baldomir and margarito fight nothing alike. margarito would beat baldomir's ass if they were to fight.

to bad baldomir pulled out when they were originally scheduled to fight in 2004. instead, he let his countryman lujan get his ear torn off.

 

I don't know, Double....you do make sense in your post, and Reed doesn't, but then again, whenever it came to PBF fights, Reed always predicted the correct outcome and you always predicted wrong.
So, the expirience shows that Reed's much more astute boxing expert than you are. Do you think you should bow down and admit Reed's superiority in this case?

 

baldomir would beat margarito's ass if they were to fight.

 

so now PBF is getting credit four opponents he's beaten in the future? :laughing:

 

you sound so sure. baldomir isnt beating shit. the guy is finished and won't have another meaningful win unless he fights judah or something.

 

Not at all. If PBF loses to Hatton, I will take all credit away from him and give the credit where the credit is due: to Hatton.
By the way, Double, do you give PBF credit for beating ODLH?

 

Dude,Cintron Became DISCOURAGED when he Landed his BEST Shots & Margarito GRINNED @ him,then Fired Back w/his Own...Cintron had NEVER Experienced that B 4...& WHAT Point did Cintron Look BADLY HURT & Ready to B KO'ed N that Fight???:dunno: ...NEVER...

He was DISCOURAGED Cause he was N the TOUGHEST Fight of his Life & Couldn't Figure Out HOW to Win it...But YOU Probably Think Cintron CRIED Afterwards Cause of the Punches

Nah,REED Probably Wouldn't Pick Baldomir to Beat Cintron,Certainly Not TODAY...

Hurting Daniel Santos ISN'T a Major Feat...His Chin SUCKS...& the Sebastian WHOjan Injury was a FLUKE...If Margarito REALLY Hits Soooooo Hard he Could Tear a Guys Ear Off,it'd Happen MORE OFTEN,Don't U Think???...Antonio Diaz was SHOT by the Time Margarito Got to him...He had ALREADY Went thru Tough Fights w/Ward,Spinks,Robinson AND Got his Ass WHIPPED by Shane Mosley,PRIOR to Facing Margarito...

The way YOU Describe Margarito,he Sounds like Alexis Arguello:: ...Antonio Margarito IS NOT an "Outside" Fighter:nono: ...WHEN has he PROVEN to B an EFFECTIVE "Outside" Fighter Against a GOOD Opponent...

U're COMPLETELY FULL of Shit,DOUB...When U LIKE a Fighter,U Bend Over BACKWARDS to Justify his CRAP Resume & his BASIC Style...But when U HATE a Fighter,All the TALENT & MEANINGFUL Wins N the World DON'T Mean Shit ...

REED has a VERY Good Handle on WHO & WHAT Antonio Margarito IS as a Fighter...REED has Seen him No Fewer than 8-10 Times...& REED has Seen ALL of Margarito's Bouts Against his BEST Opposition...

He's a SLOW,DefenseLESS,Face 1st Pressure Fighter w/OVERRATED Power...& he Most Definitely NEGATES his Height & Reach Advantage MORE than he Utilizes those Advantages...


REED

 

you sound so sure. margarito isnt beating shit. the guy is finished and won't have another meaningful win, mainly because in order to have a ANOTHER meaningful win, you have to have a previous meaningful win, and Margarito hasn't had any of those yet.