XXX's worst nightmare....

Wasn't it Ezzard Charles that Literally SPLIT Rocky Marciano's NOSE N HALF??...

How Come NOBODY Mentions Ezzard Charles' "Power"???...

The POINT is,The Sebastian WHOjan Injury was More of a FLUKE than an Indicator of "Power"...


REED

 

He's fought three top ten welterweights and beat two of them and narrowly lost to the third.

 

it's no surprise. there's still a lot of margarito haters on this board.

 

In other words, he's on Baldomir's level? Oh, right, he's not, because not only Baldomir fought top-10 welterweights, he's beaten THE welteerweight champion, something Margarito never accomplished.

 

it's no surprise. there's still a lot of baldomir haters on this board.

 

it's no surprise. you're a lame poster who's going on my ignore list.

 

Fights against top ten welterweights are meaningful fights....so victories over them are meaningful wins.

 

you can't deal with the heat when your own lame arguments are thrown back at you and actually make sense? Run, my little fella, run like a wind!
:laughing:

 

Right....and what you're basically saying is that Baldomir have more meaningful wins than margarito. Point taken.

 

fair point. but Margarito still hits hard. also, as to Margarito's rangy physique, keep in mind that reach isn't the only advantage that height affords a fighter. he also has more leverage on his punches the rangier he is.

 

U Don't have to "HATE" a Guy to Think he's OVERRATED...

To Hear PRO-Margarito Posters Tell it,he's a Murderous Punching,"Outside" Fighting(:: ) Guy who's FEARED by the Entire Division...Margarito Fans Act like the Welterweight Division OWES him Something...

NOT!!!!...


REED:nono:

 

Reed, why do you think Margarito avoided all the top welterweights of his time, guys like ODLH, Mosley, PBF, Judah, Tito, Baldomir, Quartey, Cotto etc? Is it simply fear or he knows he can't hang with the elite?

 

Apparently,they All were SCARED of HIM...

Alot of those Names Managed to Face EACH OTHER,but they were PETRIFIED of Facing Antonio Margarito,REED Guesses...

REED

 

The thing I think you neglect in your argument is how much Baldomir would have struggled to land his power punches against some of the fighters that Margarito's faced (like Cintron or Williams).

Baldomir beat a smaller welterweight in Judah, but against bigger (or more mobile fighters), he'd have a lot of problems landing with his height/reach...the Forrest fight should have made this clear.

Baldomir would be forced to lunge more, leaving him out of position and punching most with his arms which would negate his power.

Margarito, with his height and length, can simply walk opponents down. He doesn't have great defense, but he has long arms and keeps his gloves high so he can still pick off shots...and be in better position to punch back.

 

Baldomir certainly didn't struggle landing punches with Clottey :dunno:
In fact, it was a steady barrage of punches from Baldomir that made Clottey quit :dunno: .
The thing you neglect in your argument is how much Margarito would struggle to land his punches against some of fighters that Baldomir faced (like Judah and Clottey)

 

Wins?

 

Actually, I already addressed why he could land against Judah (and Gatti for that matter).

Margarito, unlike Baldomir, was actually ahead of Clottey on the scorecards.

Baldomir was behind on all three cards, despite the point deductions.

And I love how you spin it like it was a stoppage or a knockout instead of a disqualification.

 

Yes, he defeated the world welterweight champion (something that Margarito never accomplished) and he defeated a younger, hungrier, non-injured version of Clottey without going the distance (the way margarito struggled).

 

It's not fun when you make your trolling obvious.

 

It was never Baldomir's goal in that fight to win on points. :dunno: His goal was to keep pressure on Clottey, until Clottey broke down and fouled himself out . Exactly what happened in the fight

It was similar to situation in Holy-Tyson 2.....Sure, Holy won by DQ, but we all know that Tyson was simply unable to handle Holy's pressure. Same story here.

 

I'm sorry, but since when stating the fact that margarito (unlike Baldomir) never defeated the undisputed world welterweight champion is trolling?

 

watch out. Dymnipple has carefully constructed his B.S. arguments in order to bypass entirely all boundaries of reason and logic.

 

What post of his isn't obvious trolling?

 

Well, you know before reading his posts that it's trolling, but I guess it seems like sometimes he masks it better.

It's part of the fun of reading what he writes.

 

I think Floyd would handle Margarito..
As for Diaz-Hatton, I was thinking it would be the other way around.
He has faster hand speed than Ricky and has better stamina and would take the fight inside with him and outwork him.
The ref would be a major factor in that fight in regards to whether or not he will allow Ricky to hold, and hold and hit.
Maybe Hatton will beat Diaz as he is the harder puncher and he is one of my favorites as well, but I wouldn't think he'd be a nightmare for Juan.

 

REED...c'mon, bro.

Margarito is a much harder puncher than Baldomir, period.

Baldomir would not have stretched Lewis or Kyvelos as quickly or decisively as Margarito did, guaranteed...if at all. That should be obvious. If you want to take the "much" tag away from it....fine.

Margarito has been knocking out higher-quality opponents than Baldomir for a long time - Carlos hasn't been knocking out anyone. ::

I can't believe you're even arguing the point. Since when did Baldomir become such a hard puncher, when his KO ratio is abysmal and he was winning decisions even in the beginning against nobodies?

You think it would have taken Margarito 9 rounds to KO Gatti at 147 in 2006?

The point of mentioning Margarito's big advantages in size, height and reach vs. Baldomir was your assertion that PBF-Margarito would be JUST like PBF-Baldomir, maybe even worse.

The point is, Margarito has much more height and reach to "get to" PBF and cover more ground and more airspace....and it won't be as easy for PBF to counter and move in and out on Margarito than it would be on Baldomir, who is short, short-armed, and basically 'right there' within easy reach for PBF to hit.

Margarito has no compunction about throwing many punches in bunches from LONG distance, over and over again.

Notice how Margarito was able to hit Williams from long distance with overhand rights, sweeping left and even leading with body shots.

Baldomir doesn't fight that way.

Margarito's height and arm length also allow him to parry better and pick off more shots...and his size, chin and stamina allow him to simply walk forward and walk down opponents.

My point on defense is that Margarito's height makes him a bit of a harder target than Baldomir - who is 5'7", just as short or SHORTER than PBF and as such quite "accessible."

Also, Margarito holds his hands high and can cover his face/head and torso better....

"Tata" doesn't fight that way either - and his huge head is a big target. ::

It's almost as if you are insistent on building Baldomir up to 'excuse' PBF and make the point that PBF-Margarito would be exactly the same fight.

I disagree.

I'm not saying Margarito is a great technical boxer; I'm not saying PBF loses; etc.

But I don't think PBF beats Margarito as easily as he did Baldomir (who, by the way, he chose to beat by moving, moving, moving and potshotting all night).

Peace.

 

Exactly.

 

I had PBF winning by one point.

Musze scored it even.

Plenty of others have had it even, PBF by 1-2...and some for JLC by 1-2.

I think that's reasonable...it was a very close fight; with PBF being deducted one point for the elbowing.

Split the final 6? I had Castillo winning almost all those rounds.

Peace.

 

:laughing:

 

Cause some people can actually see the light. He's a mediocre sloth! Yet some people STILL act as if he's some beast. He's mediocre as hell, and Floyd would embarass him.